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I was Ill and Jesus Healed Me

Religion 28 Aug 2010

As Salaam Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

I had <insert your favourite disease/illness here>, I prayed to Jesus and was healed!

She begins, “All things are possible through Jesus. He is the only one who can hear us. He is the only one who can give us salvation. He died on a cross to save us from our sins.” I’m listening but only just. Her shouting and spastic movements detract from my ability to hear every word. As she speaks of Jesus’ ability to do all, I recall a verse in the Bible where Jesus supposedly says, ‘Of my ownself I can do nothing’. I can’t quite remember the reference. I can’t be asked to try to remember. I’m not debating anyone. Plus, I’m fasting. She continues, “I’m from Pakistan, from a city called Karachi”. I try to listen more attentively. If she is going to claim to be an apostate, I want to her what she says. She continues, “I had diabetes, a very serious case”. Laughing to myself, I tune out. Over the course of the last 10 years, I’ve heard this argument many times. It usually presents itself when pressing Christians for proof of the correctness of their faith. It is an argument that will only convince those who wish to be convinced by it.

I remember the first time I ever ‘debated’ a Christian. I was working at a marketplace along with a few of my Muslim friends, although we were working at different stalls. A priest, his wife and another man were trying to give dawah to one of my friends. He called me over. When I arrived the priest greeted me and asked my name. I responded, ‘My name is Abdullah’. He asked, ‘You have a new name and a new religion? Do you know there are thousands of religions in India?’. I replied, ‘Yes, but there is only one Islam’. From there he began telling me of this terrible illness that he suffered that the doctors could do nothing about. It was only after he prayed to Jesus that he was made healthy again. His wife tells me an almost identical story about herself. I asked them, ‘Don’t you know there are people who pray to trees that are not sick?’. A few minutes later they left without saying goodbye. I remained speaking to the third man until he left saying, ‘It’s not right that they call Jesus the Son of God’. I saw the priest and his wife about an hour later. I tried to smile at them and wave but they just looked at me sternly and their faces were blood red.

The Christian tells us, ‘Don’t you know that there was this Muslim man, who had a Christian friend and they used to debate religion all the time. After a number of years and neither man shifting his position, the Muslim man met up with the Christian man, who was off to help with an exorcism. The Muslim man went with him. After being left alone with the victim of demonic possession, the Muslim man decides to put Islam and Christianity to the test. First, he prays to Muhammad to heal the girl but nothing happens. Next, he prays to Jesus and suddenly the girl becomes well and the Muslim man confesses to the truth of Christianity.” Perhaps you have heard a similar story. I’ve heard it in several incarnations. There are many problems with the Christians narrative that exposes it for its falsehood. The biggest glaring mistake is the Muslim’s prayer to Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa sallam. Is there such a Muslim that prays to Muhammad? Could such a person even be classified as a Muslim? Moreover, the Christian cannot fix his story because if he changes the word Muhammad to Allah, our object of worship and to whom we direct our prayers, he exposes himself as a liar. Allah is the same name used in the Bible to refer to the supreme deity that the Jews and Christians claim to worship. One just needs to open the Bible in Arabic and you will find the word Allah in the very first verse. Also, Malaysian Christians were fighting the government of Malaysia for the right to refer to God as Allah in their Christian writings. Once again the reason we are given to follow Christianity is Jesus’ ability to heal.

That’s Not Proof.

These are just three examples of this extraordinary claim in Jesus’ ability to heal. The first I heard yesterday as I walked through the park, the other two I heard years ago. When I have been told these stories the person telling me them expected that I would profess Christianity and follow them in worshiping Jesus. Sorry mate, I don’t worship men. I don’t even care if the stories are true. As a matter of fact, I give each person the benefit of doubt. I reject them as proof and I’m going to tell you why.

Many people form various backgrounds have claimed similar things these include just about every religious group. Since I wasn’t present when these things supposedly happened, I treat them the same as I do the Christians by giving them the benefit of the doubt. They believe and think they saw proof that their deity heals the ill.

One of the Imams of a masjid I used to attend fell ill. The doctors in the hospital were convinced he was going to die and told his family to make preparations for that event. This Imam was very well liked and many people prayed for his recovery. A week later he was back leading the salaah, running his shop and conducting his Islamic classes. That is a true story that I witnessed, but I’ve never tried to us that in a debate to prove the correctness of Islam.

My mother practises something called ‘Reiki’, which she says involves asking spirits to come and heal the body of the person being treated. She goes to a nursing home and does this treatment on the residents, who claim to feel better after their session. My mother told me one person even started walking again after treatment.

Ava Worthington, the 15 month old little girl died when her parents tried praying to remove her pneumonia instead of taking her to the hospital.

If you live in a Christian majority country, pop down your local hospice and find out how many Christians are dying in their beds, while there family members pray to Jesus to help them.

When I worked in a long term care facility, there was a resident that had an illness that caused him to lose his mind. He was incontinent and used to get into fights with his chair. Before his illness, he was a priest. As I learned about the residents, I realised that the majority with mental disorders were devout Christians before they fell ill.

Jesus did heal the sick and blind when he was walking this earth. According to the Bible and the Quran, he did it only after supplicating to Allah. Meaning, it is not something he was doing by himself but Allah was curing them through Jesus to strengthen his claim of prophethood.

[The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic." [Quran 5:110]

Jesus the son of Mary, has no ability to help or heal anyone. He cannot even hear your supplication. Turn instead to the One who can, the One who gave you life and will cause  you to die. There is no need for intermediaries. Call on Him, The All Hearing, The All Seeing, The Knower of the seen and the unseen, your Lord who will repay you for your belief or your disbelief.

I testify to the fact that there is no god worthy of worship except Allah, who remains alone without any partner. And I testify to the fact that Muhammad the son of Abdullah is His slave and messenger. 

About the author

Abdullah

I am Abu Sabah Abdullah Al-Amreeki, a revert to Islam from Christianity, a husband to my beautiful wife, a father to my amazing children, an aspiring daiee and a wannabe Web developer.

22 Comments

  1. Bariah
    August 28, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    SubhanAllah.


  2. Joe B.
    September 27, 2010 at 2:22 am

    I will begin by stating Grace be unto you …


    • Abdullah
      September 27, 2010 at 10:32 am

      Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

      Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Joe and thank you for taking the time to comment. Unfortunately, your comment was completely off-topic. Moreover, it did not amount to anything more than restating the Christian theological view point. I will save anyone else from having to read such unsubstantiated claims. In future please make sure your comments are on-topic.


  3. Joe B.
    September 27, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Restating the Christian theological view point is absolutely necessary when addressing whether or not God/Father/Holy Spirit can heal. Without making sure that background is understood, I can’t show how out of context it is to think Christians worship a man.


    • Abdullah
      September 27, 2010 at 12:22 pm

      Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

      Joe please go back and read my post because you missed its point entirely. You do not need to show that it is out of context to think Christians worship a man, because I haven’t made that claim in this post. You must demonstrate that Jesus has the ability to heal or concede that any such claims of healing are not proofs for the correctness of your faith.

      If I were a Christian and wanted to show that Jesus can heal, I would start with collecting the relevant verses from the Bible and then show some scientific and historical data to prove that praying to Jesus aids healing. What you cannot do is relate a personal story of healing because I have already related several stories from a few varying religions.

      I will not accept anything other than proof against my claim that Christian claims of being healed after praying to Jesus is not proof for the correctness of their faith. Restating tired Christian ramblings will not be appreciated.


  4. Joe B.
    September 28, 2010 at 1:39 am

    I really did read everything you wrote above and honestly I wasn’t looking to give proofs of my faith, that would be a debate of some sort which I stated I didn’t want to do in the portion you cut out. At this point, I could take issue with some of the things the Christians you’ve mentioned have said but I wasn’t there so I don’t know. Besides, it’s not my right to judge them anyway since only God knows what’s in their heart. On the whole empirical data thing and scriptures, 1. have you read the New Testament or did you convert from Christianity?, and 2. Do you or did you ever believe anything from it? Really Abdullah, I’m just asking, but this whole case study thing isn’t the way God instructs us to believe and even when I quote you text from the New Testament what does it matter if you don’t believe in it?


    • Abdullah
      September 28, 2010 at 11:05 am

      Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

      Once again, I removed many parts of your comment that were off-topic.

      I wasn’t looking to give proofs of my faith

      No you don’t want to prove your faith is correct, you just want to use my blog as your pulpit and I’m not having it. This blog is not a place for you to declare your faith or to express your particular theological leaning.

      On the whole empirical data thing and scriptures, 1. have you read the New Testament or did you convert from Christianity?, and 2. Do you or did you ever believe anything from it?

      Yes I have read the New Testament, yes I converted to Islam from Christianity and no, I do not believe in the New Testament.

      this whole case study thing isn’t the way God instructs us to believe

      That’s right a good Christian cannot seek proof and he cannot examine the claims of Christianity. He must just believe. I have said many times, without blind faith Christianity would not exist.

      when I quote you text from the New Testament what does it matter if you don’t believe in it?

      And yet that has not prevented you from quoting irrelevant New Testament verses to me. Where is the sense? At least by quoting relevant verses you can first establish that the idea of Jesus being able to heal is valid from a theological point-of-view. It won’t convince me but coupled with the historical and scientific data that you refuse to produce would go some way to proving me wrong. However, your blind faith makes this whole conversation an utter waste of time.


  5. Muslim
    October 1, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Assalamu Alaykum

    Haha…this is one of the most common arguments I hear from Christians…


  6. Joe B.
    November 25, 2010 at 1:58 am

    How ya’ doin’ Abdullah, hope all is well with you and yours. I’m still not getting this blog, and admittedly I haven’t read the other answering Christians or Christianity tab, but it just seems to be a Christian bashing piece stating some fairly negative things about Christianity. Jesus or better yet Joshua is not and was not a man. So how’s about you tell me why you don’t think he’s the son of Jehovah (does that translate to Allah as well?)


  7. Joe B.
    November 25, 2010 at 2:32 am

    Oh yeah, and

    That’s right a good Christian cannot seek proof and he cannot examine the claims of Christianity. He must just believe. I have said many times, without blind faith Christianity would not exist.

    Never said I didn’t seek proof. I said the methodology you’re proposing would be flawed and inaccurate. Now if you want to use the word of God (the Bible), then great.

    Now we went over you removing New Testament versus because you don’t believe in that and that’s the one you’ve read. So, do you accept Old Testament and have you read that?


  8. Abdullah
    November 30, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

    Welcome back Joe!

    How ya’ doin’ Abdullah, hope all is well with you and yours.

    All praise and thanks belong to God alone, my family and I are doing fantastic. I hope you and your family are experiencing some of the happiness that we are experiencing.

    I’m still not getting this blog, and admittedly I haven’t read the other answering Christians or Christianity tab, but it just seems to be a Christian bashing piece stating some fairly negative things about Christianity.

    I’m sorry your not quite ‘getting’ this post and I’m sorry that it appears, to you, to be a Christian ‘bashing’ piece. The majority of the time that I write about Christianity it is because of some action (word or deed) of a Christian. This particular post is no exception. As I said, this is a common argument of the Christian missionary to ‘prove’ his faith. I see it as nothing short of dishonesty and treachery. Therefore, I wrote an article that demonstrates its fallacy.

    Jesus or better yet Joshua is not and was not a man.

    Actually, Jesus’ name could not have been Joshua because the ‘J’ sound did not exist. Moreover, the Arabic Bible calls him Isa.

    So Jesus was God when he supposedly said, “‘Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?’ which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”? Was he calling to himself and did he forsake himself?

    So how’s about you tell me why you don’t think he’s the son of Jehovah (does that translate to Allah as well?)

    Wait is he God’s son or is He God? In any case, I will answer your question in an upcoming post. Just don’t accuse me of bashing Christianity when you read it.

    Jehovah is a bad alteration of the unpronounced word YHVH and therefore cannot be considered a proper name for God.

    Never said I didn’t seek proof. I said the methodology you’re proposing would be flawed and inaccurate. Now if you want to use the word of God (the Bible), then great.

    I guess the methodology of statistics, science and history is a witch’s brew of devil juice. In what way would would analyzing scientific and historical data be flawed and inaccurate? If you ignore science and history, what is your criteria for determining that the Bible is the word of God? What if it contains some inaccurate information, does it cease to be the word of God?

    Now we went over you removing New Testament versus because you don’t believe in that and that’s the one you’ve read. So, do you accept Old Testament and have you read that?

    I don’t prevent people from quoting the Bible (new or old). I only prevented you from using my blog as a pulpit. I even encouraged you to post New Testament verses as a basis for discussing Jesus’ ability to heal. A request which you denied.

    I have read the entire Bible. No I do not believe in the Old or New Testaments.

    Joe this is a friendly reminder to keep any of your replies on the topic of Jesus’ ability to heal or I will not approve them nor reply to them.


  9. Abdullah
    November 30, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Please have a look at this article writing for the Washington Post: Abusing Children in the Name of God Also have a look at the story of Ava Worthington.


    A hemophilic boy in Pennsylvania bleeds to death over a period of two days from a small cut on his foot. An Indiana girl dies after a malignant tumor sprouts from her skull and grows so enormous that it’s nearly the size of her head. A boy in Massachusetts succumbs to a bowel obstruction. (His cries of pain are so loud that neighbors are forced to shut their windows to block out the sound.)

    None of these children benefit from the readily-available medical treatments that might save their lives, or at least mitigate their suffering. Because the tenets of their parents’ religious faiths mandate it, their ailments are treated by prayer rather than medical science. The results are tragic.

    It is difficult to determine precisely how many children in the United States lose their lives every year as the result of the phenomenon that has come to be known as religion-based medical neglect. A landmark study published in the journal Pediatrics uncovered more than 150 reported fatalities over a 10-year period – a tally that one of the study’s authors later said represented only “the tip of the iceberg” of a surprisingly pervasive problem. Assessing whether forms of religion-related child abuse pose a greater risk to children than more widely publicized threats, such as ritual satanic abuse, a wide-ranging study funded by the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect concluded that “there are more children actually being abused in the name of God than in the name of Satan.”

    Since the late nineteenth century, hundreds of such instances of abuse have resulted in tangled criminal litigation. The parents charged in these cases – many of them Christian Scientists or members of small Christian churches that ground their doctrines in narrowly literal interpretations of the Bible – often have argued that the First Amendment safeguards their decision to adhere to their faiths’ religious traditions and treat their ailing children solely by spiritual means. Prosecutors, meanwhile, have balked at the notion that constitutional protections for religious liberty provide an absolute bar to state regulation of religious conduct, particularly when that behavior puts the safety of children at risk. Their task often has been complicated, however, by murky state manslaughter and abuse statutes that appear to provide exemptions for religious healing practices.

    Arguing that they were “Christians first, citizens afterward,” a prominent Christian spiritual healer once urged his followers to disregard secular laws that might compel them to forsake their religious beliefs regarding healing. Such is the dilemma that confronts parents who choose to treat their sick or injured children with prayer instead of medicine. Not only must they safeguard the health of their sons and daughters; they also must try to reconcile their devotion to God with their duties as citizens in a society that boasts a long and sometimes checkered history of regulating uncommon religious conduct.

    Defining these obligations through the enforcement of secular laws – especially ones that are constitutionally fuzzy – can be a complicated business. Moreover, there is no guarantee that it will deter devout and stubborn parents from engaging in religious practices that endanger the health of their children. But the alternative – simply ignoring the suffering of the youngest and most vulnerable members of our nation’s churches – seems unconscionable.


  10. Joe B.
    December 2, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Thanks for the welcome back Abdullah,

    Appears to be an interesting read. A couple of things I’d like to point out. First, there’s no mention of Jesus in the news story or the exert from the book. Second, the story states the greatest number of cases are Christian Science, Jehovah’s Witnesses, or other small splinter denominational churches. Third, there isn’t even an attempt to show stats on the other side by the author.

    Now

    Byrd and Harris

    A 1988 study by Randolph C. Byrd used 393 patients at the San Francisco General Hospital coronary care unit (CCU). Measuring 29 health outcomes using three-level (good, intermediate, or bad) scoring, the prayer group suffered fewer newly diagnosed ailments on only six of them. Byrd concluded that “Based on these data there seemed to be an effect, and that effect was presumed to be beneficial”, and that “intercessory prayer to the Judeo-Christian God has a beneficial therapeutic effect in patients admitted to a CCU.”[4] A criticism of Byrd’s study, which also applies to most other studies, is based on the fact that he did not limit prayers by the friends and family of patients, hence it is unclear which prayers may have been measured, if any.[5]

    A 1999 follow-up by William S Harris et al. attempted to replicate Byrd’s findings under stricter experimental conditions, noting that the original research was not completely blinded and was limited to only “prayer-receptive” individuals (57 of the 450 patients invited to participate in the study refused to give consent “for personal reasons or religious convictions”).[6] Using a different, continuous weighted scoring system – which admittedly was, like Byrd’s scoring, “an unvalidated measure of CCU outcomes” – Harris et al. concluded that “supplementary, remote, blinded, intercessory prayer produced a measurable improvement in the medical outcomes of critically ill patients”. However, when they applied Byrd’s scores to their data, they could not document an effect of prayer using his scoring method. Critics have suggested that both Byrd’s and Harris’s results can be explained by chance.[7] Psychiatrist Richard P. Sloan compared the Byrd and Harris studies with the sharpshooter fallacy, “searching through the data until a significant effect is found, then drawing the bull’s-eye.”[8]

    A 1997 study by O’Laoire measured the effects on the agents performing daily prayers and reported benefits not only for the beneficiary, but the agents, and the benefit levels correlated with the belief levels of agents and beneficiaries in some cases. The study measured anxiety and depression. This study used beneficiary names as well as photographs.[9]

    I guess the methodology of statistics, science and history is a witch’s brew of devil juice. In what way would would analyzing scientific and historical data be flawed and inaccurate? If you ignore science and history, what is your criteria for determining that the Bible is the word of God? What if it contains some inaccurate information, does it cease to be the word of God?

    Analyzing scientific and historical data is flawed and inaccurate because man is flawed and inaccurate when trying to figure out God. For instance, a weather phenomenon has been observed at a point of the Red Sea where during low tide and certain wind conditions there is dry land where there is normally deep water. So, man just observed scientifically a miracle of God’s deliverance from the Bible in the latter part of the 20th century. Now I could wait for mankind to give me scientifically proven answers to God’s word or I can just trust in God which is what we are told to truly do with all that we are. There are more examples but I would definitely ask anyone on the fence or even looking for a rationalization if they are sure of their salvation since tomorrow isn’t promised?

    And I know the letter J didn’t exist, I saw Indiana Jones and I have Wikipedia. I also know that the word God is some Germanic origin. Lastly, I know my God knows what I’m talking about and whom I speak of and to. Hear and on the other blog I’m hearing about Arabic and Aramaic. Aramaic was not the original language of the Israelites. They spent enough generations during the Babylonian captivity that some lost the use of the Hebrew language. This is also why some of the ancient translations of the Old Testament are in Aramaic.

    Honestly Abdullah, I specifically use the KJV of the bible and review as many possibilities as I find with it’s translation from the Hebrew as well as Greek. From what I’ve researched, the newer alternate translations deviate too far from the original text and there was some proven tampering with the text Alexandria by a Jewish caretaker that was anti-messianic AFTER the KJV was completed.
    Once again, I know that this book is the Word of God written by man inspired by The Living God.

    Thanks.


    • Abdullah
      December 21, 2010 at 10:32 am

      Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

      I bolded the paragraph that you copied from my comment, as that is my convention when quoting other people. It makes it easier to read and follow.

      First, there’s no mention of Jesus in the news story or the exert from the book.

      It says God and clearly within a Christian context. Christians are praying to God to heal but on these occasions God ignores their prayers. If you believe Jesus to be God, then omitting the name of Jesus from the articles cannot be an issue.

      Second, the story states the greatest number of cases are Christian Science, Jehovah’s Witnesses, or other small splinter denominational churches.

      Jehovah’s Witnesses are the sect everyone loves to hate. There was no mention of them in the article. Moreover, it says Christian Science and literalists (people who take the Bible literally). If you cannot take the verses of healing literally then they are just feel good stories with no practical application. Moreover, you yourself belong to a splinter group. I know that by the version of the Bible you read. Large numbers do not give credibility. Otherwise, you would need to convert to Catholicism.

      Byrd and Harris

      Such narrow and biased studies were not what I had in mind when I asked for scientific and historical data. The statement “intercessory prayer to the Judeo-Christian God has a beneficial therapeutic effect in patients admitted to a CCU.” highlights their biases because clearly the “Judeo-God” being singular in His nature is unlike the trinitarian “Christian God”. Would a Hindu or Atheist have come to the same conclusions? The answer is almost certainly, no. I’m confident that even the Jew would disprove such studies.

      It has been 2,000 years since Jesus, by that time, certainly we should be able to see global trends, historic trends, large trends that would suggest that praying to Jesus aided healing. Such a trend would be beyond the suspicion of bias and man’s inadequacies.

      The irony is that modern Christians owe their good health to warfare and the slaughtering of innocents.

      And I know the letter J didn’t exist, I saw Indiana Jones and I have Wikipedia. I also know that the word God is some Germanic origin. Lastly, I know my God knows what I’m talking about and whom I speak of and to.

      You said Joshua was a better name for Jesus but its not, because Joshua like Jesus were not “Jesus’” names. Moreover you asked if Jehovah was an acceptable translation for Allah and I replied that it isn’t because it is not a name that God gave himself and it is not a word that belongs to any language. It is a bad alteration of a good word. That being said, I didn’t bring the issue of names up, you did.

      Hear and on the other blog I’m hearing about Arabic and Aramaic. Aramaic was not the original language of the Israelites. They spent enough generations during the Babylonian captivity that some lost the use of the Hebrew language. This is also why some of the ancient translations of the Old Testament are in Aramaic.

      So why was the New Testament written in Greek? I would suggest that the Hellenist movement hijacked Jesus’ message of worshiping one God, with the paganism which Christians are following today. Jesus was an Aramaic speaker and strict monotheist and so were his followers.

      Honestly Abdullah, I specifically use the KJV of the bible and review as many possibilities as I find with it’s translation from the Hebrew as well as Greek. From what I’ve researched, the newer alternate translations deviate too far from the original text and there was some proven tampering with the text Alexandria by a Jewish caretaker that was anti-messianic AFTER the KJV was completed.

      Yet, when I started Biblerrors, I was heavily criticized for using the KJV and I was blamed for picking on a defective text. The New Testament in the KJV is based on a 12th century Greek manuscript that was tampered with by trinitarian Christians and it contains many interpolations. An example of a late interpolation (if I remember 15th century) that found its way into the KJV is 1 John 5:7.

      Tampering by both Jews and Christians has long been established and admitted by Christian scholars. In fact, the Christian tampering started almost immediately and has continued unabated.

      Once again, I know that this book is the Word of God written by man inspired by The Living God.

      You criticized scientific methodology because of the inaccuracies of man but you failed to answer two important questions, ‘If you ignore science and history, what is your criteria for determining that the Bible is the word of God? What if it contains some inaccurate information, does it cease to be the word of God?’. Just stating you know is meaningless. How do you know?


  11. Joe B.
    December 22, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Hi Abdullah, hope all is well with you and your family.

    On to your reply and apologize, I can’t seem to readily bold your quotes.

    It says God and clearly within a Christian context. Christians are praying to God to heal but on these occasions God ignores their prayers. If you believe Jesus to be God, then omitting the name of Jesus from the articles cannot be an issue.

    What does that mean? I believe your issue is with praying to Jesus for healing since in your eyes he is not God and it would be idolatry. If the book that your using for an example didn’t mention praying to Jesus along with the article, then your example is null and void. You can and will say what you want as I still stand by the Trinity and praying to God in the name of Jesus. It’s an especially important point as I will elaborate on the next comment.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are the sect everyone loves to hate. There was no mention of them in the article. Moreover, it says Christian Science and literalists (people who take the Bible literally). If you cannot take the verses of healing literally then they are just feel good stories with no practical application. Moreover, you yourself belong to a splinter group. I know that by the version of the Bible you read. Large numbers do not give credibility. Otherwise, you would need to convert to Catholicism.

    I have not stated that I hate anyone. I love and respect Jehovah’s witnesses as I love and respect you. The point I was making was once again, Christian Science and Jehovah’s witnesses don’t believe in the Trinity and aren’t considered Christians in that respect by those that do. Witnesses think Jesus he was the arch-angel Michael in the form of a man and Christian Science adherents believe in the concept of The Christ and Jesus was the closest version of it, not the Son of God. I brought up witnesses because they’re are the only other group mentioned by name in the description of the book that the article is based on due to their reluctance to allow blood transfusions. Here’s the link

    http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/ReligionTheology/SociologyofReligion/?view=usa&ci=9780195306354

    As far as people who take the Bible literally, that doesn’t have anything to do with your argument either since we’re speaking of present day people that say Jesus heals and you’re connecting that to what I assume is their manner of worship. Healing which Jesus performed is another matter unless your saying that Jesus didn’t heal at all? If I can’t believe those literal descriptions in the Bible, can I believe Surah 5.110 from the Qur’an? Jesus healed the blind and lepers as well as raised the dead. Muhammed isn’t given credit for anything even close to that.

    Large numbers of who don’t give credibility to the KJV? People you talk to? Other Muslims? And since you bring it up later, it was translated from Hebrew and Greek original texts because there is approx. a 400 yr. gap between the last book of the Old Testament and the birth of Christ which the New Testament is based on. At which time, the entire area was a part of the Roman empire (they spoke Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic).

    Such narrow and biased studies were not what I had in mind when I asked for scientific and historical data.

    Of course that’s not what you had in mind. It doesn’t support what you’re saying so you conveniently disregard even though it’s what you asked for.

    The statement “intercessory prayer to the Judeo-Christian God has a beneficial therapeutic effect in patients admitted to a CCU.” highlights their biases because clearly the “Judeo-God” being singular in His nature is unlike the trinitarian “Christian God”.

    Judeo-Christian God is what the text says meaning the God of the Hebrew is the same God of Christians. Clearly no one has used the term Judeo-God but you and He isn’t singular either. You’re leaving out the Holy Spirit which is also referred to in the Qur’an. Lastly, since their are Messianic Jews who believe Joshua is the Messiah promised and foretold in the Old Testament, I don’t see where your confidence comes from other than your own opinion.

    So, while I do agree that children should not be made to suffer as you and the author of the book are stating, you appear to spend more time grouping Christians.

    I thank you once again for the opportunity hear to interact and I’ll continue on your replies at a later time.


    • Abdullah
      January 12, 2011 at 9:24 am

      Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

      Joe sorry for the delay in replying. I actually wrote a reply before this going over your last comment point by point.However, towards the end of that long reply, I got a bit annoyed.

      Primarily, I’m annoyed that the conversation has drifted so much from the original topic, that it takes an excessive amount of time to reply and you failed to even address points I deem to be of vital importance.

      You said, “You can and will say what you want as I still stand by the Trinity and praying to God in the name of Jesus. It’s an especially important point as I will elaborate on the next comment.”.

      Basically, I’m wasting my time because even if your position is found to be wanting your are going to stand by your polytheism. Moreover, your going to use my blog as your pulpit to promote polytheism.

      You made a big issue about the article not mentioning the name of Jesus and you used that as an excuse to disregard its content. Yet at the same time you accuse me of conveniently disregarding ‘science’ because it doesn’t fit with what I’m saying. Don’t you think its hypocritical to promote a study that does not mention the name of Jesus, while disregarding an article because it does not mention the name of Jesus?

      You missed the point of the article, which was to show the dark side of the fanciful claim of Jesus’ ability to heal. While you may disregard it because they do not belong to your sect and therefore not ‘true believers’, it is a direct result of Christian insistence and promotion of this fallacy.

      My argument that it is not a proof for the correctness of Christianity are outlined in my post, which you so far have failed to address.

      Based on your comments on literalism, there are no verses in the Bible that allow Christians to pray to Jesus to heal their ailments, which makes their claims all the more dubious and deceitful.

      You said, “Judeo-Christian God is what the text says meaning the God of the Hebrew is the same God of Christians. Clearly no one has used the term Judeo-God but you and He isn’t singular either. You’re leaving out the Holy Spirit which is also referred to in the Qur’an.“.

      “Judeo-Christian God” is a phrase used by Christians in order to steal some perceived authenticity from the Jewish religion. The fact that you believe in the Trinity and assert that God is not singular is enough proof that you and the Jews do not believe in the same god.

      What really upsets me about you, Joe, is your haphazard attitude towards religion and in this case towards the Quran. Your comment seems to imply that the Quran also acknowledges the Holy Spirit as part of the God-Head. Do you know what is meant by holy spirit in the Quran? The holy spirit in the Quran always refers to the Angel Gabriel, alayhi sallam. He is not part of the God-Head, our Lord is a singular united and complete God.

      I don’t take kindly to this type of mistake, because if you, as a Christian, read the words ‘holy spirit’ in the Quran it should spark your curiosity to discover to whom the Quran is referring. Instead, you immediately think ‘holy spirit in the Quran === the Holy Spirit in Christianity’ and then assert such an absurdity.

      Muslims also believe that Jesus, alayhi sallam, is the Messiah. Does that mean you will have to start using the term “Islamo-Judeo-Christian God”? Being the Messiah does not make him God. As a bit of homework, check the meaning of the word Messiah.

      Now Joe, before I can allow a response to this comment. I insist that you answer the questions you failed to answer from my previous comments. Any comment that does not answer them will not be replied to or published. Also, don’t mix. I only want your answers to the questions nothing else. For your convenience, I will re-post the questions below.

      I said, “You criticized scientific methodology because of the inaccuracies of man but you failed to answer two important questions, ‘If you ignore science and history, what is your criteria for determining that the Bible is the word of God? What if it contains some inaccurate information, does it cease to be the word of God?’. Just stating you know is meaningless. How do you know?


  12. Jamal Muhammad Ali(formerly Jay Papadopoulos-Telfer)
    January 4, 2011 at 4:42 am

    I prayed 2 Jesus(peace be upon him) and he healed me? Christians will never stop telling you that as to prove he is God. Ok, so how about the hindu guys who tell you that they prayed to Vishnu and got healed? Does that mean Vishnu exists? “Oh, but that was just a coincidence”. No. Because the hindu will tell you he’s prayed to this god several times and got healed, just like the christian says about Jesus(peace be upon him). So who do we believe?

    We believe the muslim. Who is Jesus’s lord? God/Allah. Who is Vishnu’s lord? Brahma/Allah. So therefore the lord of lords must have done it, Allah, as all the power and decision-making belongs to Him alone. Who gave Jesus(peace be upon him) the power to do miracles on earth? God/Allah. He says that in both the Quran and bible. So whether or not its Jesus(peace be upon him) healing you from above, it’s Allah’s power THAT’S HEALING YOU. And where does Allah’s power come from? Allah alone.

    Hope that settles the issue.


    • Abdullah
      January 7, 2011 at 12:42 am

      As Salaam Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

      My dear brother in Islam,

      It would settle the issue and we could be spared from this sad attempt to prove Jesus is God, if they considered the Bible with care, because the Bible is actually telling them the same thing.

      John 11:41-42 says,

      Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

      What was Jesus doing? Supplicating to Allah to raise this man from the dead to demonstrate the fact that Jesus was sent by Allah.

      Jesus only healed, after supplicating to God and thanking Him. Clearly, Jesus didn’t heal on his own when he was on earth. What makes them think he has the ability to heal now?


  13. David
    August 16, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Does Allah heal anyone in your mosque? How many has he healed in his ‘compassion’ and ‘all powerfulness’?

    If he has not, it rather suggests that he does not have the power doesn’t it?

    Let us see some testimonies of muslims that Allah has healed physically to prove that you have the real God and then after that you can be the critic of Christian faith! In other words, look in your own backyard first and see if there is any good in Islam and your allah. If there isn’t and he has no power, then why waste your time worshipping a god who has no power and exists only in Mecca the direction of your worship? The Creator God of the Universe can never be confined to Mecca! If he is confined to Mecca, how do you expect him to be able to reach any person anywhere else in the world to heal them? Surely, he cannot and cannot be the Creator, with the ability to heal what he has created!


    • Abdullah
      August 16, 2011 at 7:40 pm

      Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance.

      Welcome to MyIslamicFamily David and thank you for taking the time to comment.

      I encourage you to enter discussions about religion with calmness and strive for absolute accuracy, particularly when describing the beliefs of others. We will be judged by Truth, so let us be men of Truth.

      Are you not concerned about writing about Allah with such a condescending tone? Muslims do not have a monopoly on the word ‘Allah’. Arab Christians call Jesus the son of Allah and Allah is credited with creating the heavens and the earth in the very first verse of the Arabic Life Application Bible. If Allah does not have the power to heal, it would be equally problematic for you as it would be us.

      I have already related an event that I personally witnessed in the post and I know of many more. I know of a woman in India, who claims to be a goddess and heals people by hugging them. Thousands of people line up with full conviction, including many Westerners, to receive her loving embrace. My mother claims to heal people through worshipping spirits. Christians claim to be healed through worshipping Jesus. Does an honest and sincere testimony PROVE the realness of their god? If it does then we are in the impossible position, where two religions making opposite claims must both be regarded as true.

      The Kabah in Mecca is our Qibla, our direction of prayer, but it does not mean that we believe God to confined to Mecca. Allah says in His Quran (2:115),

      And to Allah belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn yourselves or your faces there is the Face of Allah. Surely! Allah is All-Sufficient for His creatures’ needs, All-Knowing.

      This post was not meant as a critique of Christianity or the Bible. Rather it is a critique of a common Christian missionary tactic to try to prove the validity of their claims. However, these testimonies are far from actual proof and should not be relied upon in the course of a religious discussion. To do so is a capitulation and an insult to intelligence. Instead of relying on the subjective experiences of biased and emotional people, we should rely on something much more substantive, like an honest and scholarly examination of the authoritative books of the religions.

      Once again, thank you for taking the time to comment. I look forward to any further contributions that you may make.


  14. Christianfaith
    September 11, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    If you do a search in the youtube, you will find people healed in Church in the name of Jesus. you can go to CBN.
    Allah is only a moon-god. Jesus is the only person who conquer death. He is the son of God and the son of Man.

    If one day, I can see Muslim heal someone, (without the name of Jesus), then i will believe Allah…without Jesus, there is no healing.


    • Abdullah
      September 12, 2011 at 9:11 am

      Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

      Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

      Despite your Christianity and my Islam, we should be able to agree that Allah is the Creator of the heavens and the earth. However, through your hatred, prejudice and ignorance, Satan has duped you into calling your Lord a “moon-god”. This should be a wakeup call for you and anyone else, who utters such shameful obscenities and thinks himself guided.

      The reason we should be able to agree is that our books agree.

      The author of Genesis wrote:

      فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ

      Arabic Life Application Bible: Genesis 1:1

      And Allah says in His Quran:

      وَمَا خَلَقْنَا ٱلسَّمَآءَ وَٱلْأَرْضَ وَمَا بَيْنَهُمَا لَٰعِبِينَ

      Quran 57:4

      I will leave it to you to look up a translation for each verse.

      All praise and thanks are for Allah alone. If you take the time to look up a translation to the verse that I quoted and consider its meaning, it will become clear that Muslims do not believe in a “moon-god”. To believe such foolishness, would imply that Allah has created Himself because the moon is part of the heavens. I seek refuge in Allah from such baseless and evil ideas. However, Allah in His Quran was even more explicit regarding the moon.

      Allah says in His Quran:

      وَمِنْ ءَايَٰتِهِ ٱلَّيْلُ وَٱلنَّهَارُ وَٱلشَّمْسُ وَٱلْقَمَرُ ۚ لَا تَسْجُدُوا۟ لِلشَّمْسِ وَلَا لِلْقَمَرِ وَٱسْجُدُوا۟ لِلَّهِ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَهُنَّ إِن كُنتُمْ إِيَّاهُ تَعْبُدُونَ

      Translated by Hilali Khan as:
      And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.

      Quran 41:37

      That should be enough for those who have wisdom that (1) Allah is not a “moon-god” and (2) Muslim do not believe Him to be a “moon-god”. Once, you realise the shamefulness of the “moon-god” slander, the rest of your comment no longer makes any sense. Allah being the Creator of the heavens and the earth, most definitely does have the power to heal and to disbelieve in Him is misguidance.

      By the way, why not extend your search and learn about the healing methods of Hindus and others? Why not search for Ava Worthington? Why not take a trip to your local hospice? I have already shown that claims of healing are not proof for the correctness of your faith because you would then be required to believe in all the different groups of people who claim their deity or spiritual methods have healing powers. Moreover, the Biblical Jesus never healed anyone in his own name. Rather he called on his Lord, your Lord and my Lord, Allah the Most High.

      Thank you for taking the time to read my reply. I will look forward to any future contributions you may make.


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