Top Ten Ways to Know Christianity is False

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   Serikandi Islam

   March 17, 2010 at 10:29 am

   MasyaAllah.May Allah bless u for these

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   Lee

   March 27, 2010 at 12:18 am

   I think you should research more before making claims.
   Both sides of the story… not just look at it in a basis point of view.

   I love Allah, He’s the one and only true God. But these days some people corrupt religion for their own selfish needs and for their own benefits.
   Both Christians and Muslims
   I’ll do more research too. And when I found out more. I’ll tell you my 10 ways

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   Abdullah

   March 27, 2010 at 10:56 am

   Hi Lee,

   Thanks for taking the time to comment. It is true that some people live off religion rather then live by it. However, my ten ways are not about individuals. They are about Christianity as a faith based on the Bible.

   If you have any objection to any of the ten, I will do my best to explain myself and if needed correct myself.

   Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I look forward to any future feedback.

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  Jazz

  September 1, 2011 at 11:50 pm

  Mr abdullah kindly go through the arabian mythology. Quran was sent to guide the new testament so how come it never could or as u say that it is corrupted? Bible says how can you take a speck out of ur brother’s eye when their is a lance in yours go first take out that lance and then you can easily take out the speck in ur brother’s. ever heard of Josephus flavius account of Jesus? and one thing more dude time will tell the truthfulness of Christianilty and only in time u will knw.

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  Abdullah

  September 2, 2011 at 8:26 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Jazz and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  You said, Quran was sent to guide the new testament so how come it never could or as u say that it is corrupted?.

  I implore you, as I have many others, to strive for truth and accuracy as much as you can. If you are going to make claims about a book, you should read the book first.

  The Quran has not been sent as a guide to the New Testament. Rather it was sent as a reminder to mankind.

  God says in His Quran (38:87 & 81:27 & 12:104),

  إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا ذِكْرٌۭ لِّلْعَٰلَمِينَ

  Translated by Hilali-Khan as:
  “It (this Qur’an) is only a Reminder for all the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinns).

  and:
  Verily, this (the Qur’an) is no less than a Reminder to (all) the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinns).

  and:
  it(the Qur’an) is no less than a Reminder and an advice unto the ‘Alamin (men and jinns).

  Within the Quran’s capacity as a reminder to mankind, it also corrects the mistakes of the Jews and Christians, such as the Jewish lies and Christian exaggerations about Jesus the son of Mary, alayhi sallam.

  God says in His Quran (27:76),

  إِنَّ هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانَ يَقُصُّ عَلَىٰ بَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ أَكْثَرَ ٱلَّذِى هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ

  Translated by Hilali-Khan as:
  Verily, this Qur’an narrates to the Children of Israel most of that about which they differ.

  Futher God informs us of the quality of those who benefit from the Quran.

  God says in His Quran (69:48),

  وَإِنَّهُۥ لَتَذْكِرَةٌۭ لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ

  Translated by Hilali-Khan as:
  And verily, this Quran is a Reminder for the Muttaqun*.

  *The Muttaqun are the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained.

  Thus for the believers (the muttaqun) the Quran becomes a guide and a mercy.

  God says in His Quran (27:77),

  وَإِنَّهُۥ لَهُدًۭى وَرَحْمَةٌۭ لِّلْمُؤْمِنِينَ

  Translated by Hilali-Khan as:
  And truly, it (this Qur’an) is a guide and a mercy to the believers.

  It is mankind that needs the Quran. May God bring your heart near to His Glorious Book. May He make us among those that benefit from His Reminder.

  You said, Bible says how can you take a speck out of ur brother’s eye when their is a lance in yours go first take out that lance and then you can easily take out the speck in ur brother’s.

  May Allah cause you to adhere to this teaching of your book.

  You said, ever heard of Josephus flavius account of Jesus?

  Yes.

  Finally you said, and one thing more dude time will tell the truthfulness of Christianilty and only in time u will knw.

  Does this mean that Christianity has no proof to demonstrate its validity despite it being the truth from The Most High God?

  I say to you, as God instructs us to say in His Quran (5:77),

  قُلْ يَٰٓأَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ لَا تَغْلُوا۟ فِى دِينِكُمْ غَيْرَ ٱلْحَقِّ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوٓا۟ أَهْوَآءَ قَوْمٍۢ قَدْ ضَلُّوا۟ مِن قَبْلُ وَأَضَلُّوا۟ كَثِيرًۭا وَضَلُّوا۟ عَن سَوَآءِ ٱلسَّبِيلِ

  Translated by Hilali-Khan as:
  Say (O Muhammad SAW): “O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path.”

  Adhere to the truth and keep away from the vain and flimsy desires of people, who mislead and are misled.

  Jazz we can wait and surely God will judge between us. It would be better for us, however, to find and stick to the Right Path now. Because if we wait until that Day and we find our position to be wanting it will be too late.

  God says in His Quran (18:100-102),

  وَعَرَضْنَا جَهَنَّمَ يَوْمَئِذٍۢ لِّلْكَٰفِرِينَ عَرْضًا ٱلَّذِينَ كَانَتْ أَعْيُنُهُمْ فِى غِطَآءٍ عَن ذِكْرِى وَكَانُوا۟ لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ سَمْعًا أَفَحَسِبَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَن يَتَّخِذُوا۟ عِبَادِى مِن دُونِىٓ أَوْلِيَآءَ ۚ إِنَّآ أَعْتَدْنَا جَهَنَّمَ لِلْكَٰفِرِينَ نُزُلًۭا

  Translated by Hilali-Khan as:
  And on that Day We shall present Hell to the disbelievers, plain to view, (To) Those whose eyes had been under a covering from My Reminder (this Quran), and who could not bear to hear (it). Do then those who disbelieve think that they can take My slaves [i.e., the angels, Allah's Messengers, 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), etc.] as Auliya’ (lords, gods, protectors, etc.) besides Me? Verily, We have prepared Hell as an entertainment for the disbelievers (in the Oneness of Allah Islamic Monotheism).

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I enjoyed replying to it and I hope that shows.

  O God, Guide us to the Straight Way. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger, nor of those who went astray.

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   Anna

   April 23, 2010 at 2:02 am

   (I don’t know if you are actually going to take the time to read this, but if you do, I hope it opens your eyes to some of the fallacies in your arguments. I am not trying to convert you. I just want to show some of the other side.)

   As a Christian, I believe that your number one point is false, but let’s not go into that.

   What I take as most offensive in this list is that you do not provide proof from the Bible to qualify your statements. And the verses you do use are used out of context. The verse from Matthew was used to say that people who do works for themselves but later claim them for God are false Christians. It is not saying that all Christians who do works for God are rejected by Christ. The other verse is talking about how man is not good because only true good is found in perfection. In reference as to Jesus not being God, just look at John 1:1 (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.) Another name for Jesus is the Living Word. As a result, Jesus is God. So, when Jesus told the man that none are good except God, he was including himself. Farther on in the passage you referenced, you see that them man Jesus was talking to did not truly want to follow God, and thus did not recognize Jesus.

   On the matter of the Bible being corrupt and far from the original source, that can easily be disproved. Many people believed the claim you are making, until they found a third document proving the validity of the modern scriptures: the Dead Sea Scrolls. These scrolls, along with the Codices Vaticus and Sinaiticus, are the earliest manuscripts of the Bible, and it was found that the modern Bible follow these manuscripts to the T. When it comes to contradictions, just talk to a Rabbi or a scholar of Jewish Culture. It just wasn’t important to them whether there were three guards or two. What’s important is that there were guards.

   On the matter of people knowing Christ, almost all the writers of the New Testament knew him personally. There are about 500 people who knew or saw Christ by the time Paul wrote his later letters. The works of Josephus are a collection of the history and the people who knew or saw Jesus.

   On the matter of his crucifixion and ressurection, there are Roman records showing that Jesus of Nazareth was crucified, and there are records showing Jesus of Nazareth staying in towns AFTER he was crucified. And yes, the crucifixion was important to the early Christians. Yes, it was in the early manuscripts. Again, look at the Codices.

   And, on the matter of the Bible speaking against itself, just look at 2 Timothy 3:16a – “All Scripture is God-breathed”. The Bible may have been written down by man, but it was inspired by God.

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  Abdullah

  April 23, 2010 at 7:04 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. You may find it surprising but I really do read everyone’s comments. It is the least I can do after someone took the time to write them.

  As a Christian, I believe that your number one point is false, but let’s not go into that.

  Fair enough.

  What I take as most offensive in this list is that you do not provide proof from the Bible to qualify your statements.

  When I started writing this post, I originally thought to make it a ten post series. However, I noticed that the posts were getting very long and I am sure most people would not have read them. Not wanting my work to go wasted, I sat down to condense them and I ended up super condensing to the state you see them in.

  And the verses you do use are used out of context.

  I’m sorry you feel that way. Wait and I’ll try to explain.

  The verse from Matthew was used to say that people who do works for themselves but later claim them for God are false Christians. It is not saying that all Christians who do works for God are rejected by Christ.

  I never said ‘all’. Certainly, there were many ‘followers of Jesus’ that will enter into paradise. However, the qualifying statement in the verse is ‘but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven’. What is God’s first commandment? To worship none other than Him. Trinitarian Christians ascribe partners to God, thereby failing His very first commandment. When such people arrive for their judgement, Jesus will reject them and he will disassociate himself from anyone who claimed that he was God or worshipped him.

  The other verse is talking about how man is not good because only true good is found in perfection. In reference as to Jesus not being God, just look at John 1:1 (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.) Another name for Jesus is the Living Word. As a result, Jesus is God. So, when Jesus told the man that none are good except God, he was including himself. Farther on in the passage you referenced, you see that them man Jesus was talking to did not truly want to follow God, and thus did not recognize Jesus.

  Regarding John 1:1, that verse is an interpolation (a later addition). If you are using it to understand Luke 18:19, that is your mistake. When the man calls Jesus ‘good’, Jesus rejects it outright and says only God is good. He was most certainly excluding himself.

  A few weeks ago, I was speaking with some Christians. When I said, ‘you Christians believe Jesus is God’. They started shouting, ‘we don’t believe Jesus is God.’ I wonder why there is so much confusion and why ‘Christians’ all arrive at different conclusions?

  On the matter of the Bible being corrupt and far from the original source, that can easily be disproved. Many people believed the claim you are making, until they found a third document proving the validity of the modern scriptures: the Dead Sea Scrolls. These scrolls, along with the Codices Vaticus and Sinaiticus, are the earliest manuscripts of the Bible, and it was found that the modern Bible follow these manuscripts to the T. When it comes to contradictions, just talk to a Rabbi or a scholar of Jewish Culture. It just wasn’t important to them whether there were three guards or two. What’s important is that there were guards.

  Your saying that the manuscripts are perfect and that modern Bibles follow them perfectly and yet if I ask a Rabbi then he will tell me that some contradictions don’t matter?

  Codex Sinaiticus where the book of Mark stops at 16:8 and doesn’t include the story of the resurrection?

  On the matter of people knowing Christ, almost all the writers of the New Testament knew him personally. There are about 500 people who knew or saw Christ by the time Paul wrote his later letters. The works of Josephus are a collection of the history and the people who knew or saw Jesus.

  And yet the authors of the four Gospels were all unknown. And yet many of the letters ‘written by Paul’ were actually written by other unknown people. If the authors of these books knew Jesus, why didn’t they quote him in their writings? Moreover, I was never doubting that some people knew Jesus. What I am saying is that God did not find it important enough to preserve knowledge of him for later generations. As a result, there are many people, including the woman who studied the Dead Sea scrolls, who thought Jesus got married and there is a pop singer who thinks Jesus was gay. Quite frankly, there is not enough information on the life of Jesus to disprove either one of those claims.

  On the matter of his crucifixion and ressurection, there are Roman records showing that Jesus of Nazareth was crucified, and there are records showing Jesus of Nazareth staying in towns AFTER he was crucified. And yes, the crucifixion was important to the early Christians. Yes, it was in the early manuscripts. Again, look at the Codices.

  You’ll have to show me those records. I am aware of a few forgeries but perhaps you have something genuine. I am especially interesting in the recordings of appearances after the supposed crucifixion. Many early Christians did not believe in the crucifixion please see ‘The Cross and The Crecent’ by Dr. Jerald Dirks.

  And, on the matter of the Bible speaking against itself, just look at 2 Timothy 3:16a – “All Scripture is God-breathed”. The Bible may have been written down by man, but it was inspired by God.

  You missed the point. The verse is saying that all scripture is God-breathed and must fulfil one of the four conditions. If there are any verses that do not fulfil one of the for conditions then we can safely say that verse did not come from God. Judges 16:1 is a good example but there are others. Since now we know Judges 16:1 is not God-breathed then that casts a doubt on the rest of the book. Moreover, Psalms is saying that the book must be perfect. Keep that in mind when you try to tell me that it doesn’t matter how many guards there are.

  Thanks again for taking the time to respond and then taking the time to read this. I will look forward to any future correspondence.

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   Jesse

   June 11, 2010 at 7:28 pm

   Indeed those would be ten ways to know that Christianity was false if the only authority aloud was the Koran, which I understand that, as a good Muslim, you start from and is the only worthy authority. But why do other texts of the time not back up the historical accuracy of the Koran? The resurrection is actually the best attested fact of history, and would hold up in a courtroom. Some of the last words of the Bible, are Jesus’ words in Revelation 22:18: “I testify to the words of the prophecy contained i this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.”

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  Abdullah

  June 12, 2010 at 7:00 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Jesse and thank you for taking time to comment,

  Indeed those would be ten ways to know that Christianity was false if the only authority aloud was the Koran, which I understand that, as a good Muslim, you start from and is the only worthy authority.

  This fist statement of yours makes me wonder if you read the post at all or if you read the title and then jumped straight to the comments. Nine out of the ten reasons I listed have nothing to do with Islam or the Quran.

  But why do other texts of the time not back up the historical accuracy of the Koran?

  What other texts of the time? If you mean the Bible, the Bible does not even attest to itself.

  The resurrection is actually the best attested fact of history, and would hold up in a courtroom.

  Honestly, this is one of the silliest statements Christians can make. Number one, it’s just not true. More people believe and more evidence is found in the sinking of the Titanic than the resurrection of Jesus. Number two, many first century Christians did not believe in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Denouncing these people, Ignatius (the bishop of Antioch, died 110AD) wrote, “But if, as some say … his suffering was only an appearance, then why am I a prisoner, and why do I long to fight with the wild beasts? In that case, I am dying in vain.” Number three, many early manuscripts simply did not mention these things at all. Even the verses found in the Gospel of Mark relating to the resurrection were added later and now are rejected as interpolations by Bible scholars (see Mark 16:9).

  Maybe you believed this lie many Christians are fed, that Jesus’ resurrection is a well attested fact but nothing could be further from the truth. We see in Christian writings an attempt to re-write history, such as the added resurrection story in Mark, but with every archaeological finding the monotheists’ case against Christianity gets stronger.

  Some of the last words of the Bible, are Jesus’ words in Revelation 22:18: “I testify to the words of the prophecy contained i this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.”

  Jesus did not say these words, Revelations was written by an unknown John between 68 and 95 years after Jesus was gone. The verses found at the end of Revelation are nothing more than scaremongering rooted in mythology.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment, I look forward to any future correspondence.

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   dadentum

   June 19, 2010 at 1:58 am

   So you can analyze one religion and ostensibly debunked it. Just as an exercise try it on your own religion. :p

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   Saleh

   June 19, 2010 at 4:52 am

   Thanks for providing the reasons and backing them up. This is really great way to expose Christianity.

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   Bob

   June 19, 2010 at 5:51 am

   In other words, “Here’s why this ONE set of arbitrary ancient myths is false, but MY set of arbitrary ancient myths is true!”

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   Abdullah

   June 19, 2010 at 7:46 am

   Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

   I used to find it strange when atheists commented on inter-religious discussions, until I realised that atheism is a faith-based religion too. They have their idols, prophets, books and saints. Moreover, they defend their beliefs with the same fervour and passion as believers in God. They even try to proselytise.

   Alhamdulillah, their whole faith is defeated with a simple question, ‘did it create itself?’.

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    Helium

    June 19, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Ten, nine, eight, and five are absolutely fantastic points. Now take those one logical step further towards your own mythology, and your intellectual journey will be complete.

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  Abdullah

  June 19, 2010 at 9:44 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Helium and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Let’s apply them to Islam and see how it stands up.

  Number 10 was: “Missionary Deception”.

  Allah forbids anyone to use deception:

  “And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).” Quran 2:42

  This ayah prevents us from hiding the truth or mixing truth with falsehood and requires us to make the truth known.

  Allah also condemns the Jews and the Christians with this question for their dishonesty:

  “Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?” Quran 3:71

  Moreover, it would be foolish for a Muslim to resort to deception because we know, no matter how much we earnestly desire someone to be guided, guidance is in the hands of Allah.

  Allah says:

  “It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.” Quran 28:56

  This is unlike Christianity where an endorsement for deception can be found within their Bible (here and here).

  Number 9 was: “Pagan Influence”.

  Islam has always stood as an antitheses of paganism. Allah and His prophet, salaalahu alayhi wa sallam, ensured that it would remain that way, until the Day of Judgement.

  Allah says in His Quran:

  “This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” Quran 5:3

  Our beloved prophet, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, said:

  The best of the speech is embodied in the Book of Allah, and the best of the guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. And the most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is error.” Sahih Muslim 4:1885

  Every Muslim, who fears Allah, hates innovation. This hatred protects us from adding pagan traits to our pure monotheism. Again, this contrasts Christians and their ready acceptance of many pagan customs such as Christmas trees.

  Number 8 was: “The Bible is Inconsistent”.

  The Quranic message is extremely consistent. Throughout the Quran its message of monotheism, obeying Allah, worshipping Allah and being steadfast upon the truth is repeated.

  Allah says in His Quran:

  “By (the Token of) Time (through the ages), Verily Man is in loss, Except such as have Faith, and do righteous deeds, and (join together) in the mutual teaching of Truth, and of Patience and Constancy.” Quran 103:1-3

  Number 5 was: “Jesus is Unknown”.

  Muhammad’s, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, life was meticulously preserved. There are vasts amounts of material on every aspect of his life: how he combed his hair, what colour his turban was, what was the name of his camel, what part of the animal was his favourite, what made him smile, what made him upset, and anything else that you can think of. Allah has preserved knowledge of him, salallahu alayhi wa sallam.

  Conclusion.

  Anyone with basic knowledge of Islam, would have known that those points would pose no problems for Muslims. The question for you is, why did you make a comment that implied Islam would fail them? Part of wisdom is to know the limits of your knowledge and to keep quite about what is beyond it.

  For all the atheists talk about intellectualism, we see it continuously abandoned in favour of pointless one-liners that add nothing. Many atheists are nothing but intelligent fools.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment, I look forward to your more thought out response in future.

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    Nauman

    July 14, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Very interesting, good knowledge of Islam and may Allah keep you on the true path and may you die as a Muslim and go to jannah.

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    Abdullah

    July 21, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    As Salaam Alaykum Nauman and welcome to MyIslamicFamilly.com,

    Thank you for your very kind comment. May Allah make us all die with Imaan and may He grant us the highest abode in Janah. Ameen.

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    Steven

    July 23, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    What sources do you get your information from to support your stance on the authors of the gospels and epistles?

    And in regards again to 2 Tim 3:16, no translation leads to the conclusion that scripture must fall under four categories in order for it to be God-breathed. This verse states the divine inspiration of scripture and Scripture’s usefulness in those four areas of discipleship. As far as I know, Muhammad even attested to the Tanakh (Old Testament) being inspired by God.

    I am also curious about whether the “christians” who shouted that Jesus is not God were by chance Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses…

    Also, God does not change temperament from the Old to New Testament. He still administers justice and still throughout the entire Bible uses some of the least and weakest people to exemplify His glory and love. The God of the Bible as always, is always, and will always seek out sinners to forgive, grace, and love with mercy just as He did from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.

    God bless and thank you for the testing of my faith. I will keep you in my prayers.

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  Abdullah

  August 2, 2010 at 8:35 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily.com, Steven and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  You may be the first to take my post in the spirit in which I wrote it. Faith without proof leads to misguidance. I pray that God gives you a sincerity and desire for the truth and the courage to abandon falsehood.

  What sources do you get your information from to support your stance on the authors of the gospels and epistles?

  Do you mean where did I get it that the authors of the gospels are unknown and that some of Paul’s letters were written by people other than him? That information comes from various sources. A lot of material is floating around online. I used to have a Bible that acknowledged the anonymity of the gospel writers. A book that is readily available, which deals with this in a straightforward manner is entitled, ‘Misquoting Jesus’ by Bart Ehrman. Another book that I recommend is entitled, ‘The Cross & The Crescent’ by Jerald Dirks, who spends some pages discussing the layered composition of the New Testament. How the gospels are not the writings of a few men at a single moment in history but rather they are composite works constructed over centuries by many unnamed people.

  And in regards again to 2 Tim 3:16, no translation leads to the conclusion that scripture must fall under four categories in order for it to be God-breathed. This verse states the divine inspiration of scripture and Scripture’s usefulness in those four areas of discipleship.

  In other words, it is entirely possible for a verse to not fit any of these four categories and be entirely useless and still considered ‘God-breathed’. I’ll let those who care make up their own minds as to what the verse is saying and whether your explanation of it is coherent.

  As far as I know, Muhammad even attested to the Tanakh (Old Testament) being inspired by God.

  The prophet Muhammed, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, acknowledged the divine origin of the Torah of Moses, alayhi sallam. However, the Torah sent by God to Moses is not the same as the Old Testament. The Jews have been spending much of their history, adding to, taking away, rewording and otherwise distorting the original book. This is acknowledged by Christians and even the Bible talks about how it was ‘found’ after having been lost for hundreds of years. In short the prophet, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, did not attest to the divine origin of the book you have in your house that you call the Old Testament.

  I am also curious about whether the “christians” who shouted that Jesus is not God were by chance Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses…

  They were Methodists.

  Also, God does not change temperament from the Old to New Testament. He still administers justice and still throughout the entire Bible uses some of the least and weakest people to exemplify His glory and love. The God of the Bible as always, is always, and will always seek out sinners to forgive, grace, and love with mercy just as He did from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.

  Where was the forgiveness, grace and love for the Philistines?

  While they were in high spirits, they shouted, “Bring out Samson to entertain us.” So they called Samson out of the prison, and he performed for them. When they stood him among the pillars, Samson said to the servant who held his hand, “Put me where I can feel the pillars that support the temple, so that I may lean against them.” Now the temple was crowded with men and women; all the rulers of the Philistines were there, and on the roof were about three thousand men and women watching Samson perform. Then Samson prayed to the LORD, “O Sovereign LORD, remember me. O God, please strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes.” Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other, Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived. [Judges 16:25-30]

  Samson was defeated after his source of strength was cut off and his eyes were gouged out. After spending some time in prison the Philistines wanted to make a show of him and force him to perform. Feeling angry about his eyes he prays to God to give his strength back so that he could get revenge. God accepts his prayer and Samson performs a suicide operation that kills everyone at the temple. Thousands of people, including women, killed for two eyes and some humiliation? Among those thousands there must have been many innocent people. Are two eyes worth more than the life of an innocent? Is that justice? Where was the forgiveness, grace and love for the Philistines?

  Because of this did We ordain unto the children of Israel that if anyone slays a human being-unless it be [in punishment] for murder or for spreading corruption on earth-it shall be as though he had slain all mankind; whereas, if anyone saves a life, it shall be as though he had saved the lives of all mankind. [Quran 5:32]

  Don’t think that this suicide murder that Samson committed with God’s permission is the only example of this type of behaviour; there are many more. Moreover, when you were reading the passage from the Bible did you notice something curious about how it was written? It says there were “about three thousand” spectators. “About”? God doesn’t know their exact number? He, the All Knowing, has to approximate?

  I pray that God guides you away from the disbelief of Christians to belief in His Oneness and Superiority above all else, to the truth, to Al-Islam.

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    Daniel

    August 10, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Hey! I stand in deep admiration of your ability to hold polite and civil discourse on such a potentially inflammatory topic. Job well done, good sir.

    Of the many things that could be said to respond to the arguments you present, one in particular strikes me as completely contrary to the general Christian interpretation of scripture: your misunderstanding of God’s trinitarian nature.

    From the book of John, Chapter 10: Jesus says “I and the Father are one.” and goes on to say “the Father is in Me, and I in the Father”

    This, amongst other verses, point to the three (father, son, holy spirit) to be all one in the same, but, at the same time, different.

    That sounds confusing..ANALOGY TIME!!!
    Water is awesome. It comes in three forms, liquid, solid, and gas. All three of them are water, but each form serves a distinct purpose. Yet, at any time, each of the three forms is still water.

    I (metaphorically)worship water as my Lord, as I am called to. Christians are not called to worship the water vapor, or the ice as separate entities. To call Jesus a secondary god or an assistant to God, is not supported by text. This is still in accordance with monotheistic principles – which you claim it not to be.

    I do agree with you that it is “evil and disgusting” to “ascribe a partner to God”…good thing Christians don’t do that =)

    Just my $.02, take it for what it’s worth.

    Much love homes, God bless.

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  Abdullah

  August 13, 2010 at 11:16 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Daniel and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I must first apologise about the tardiness in reply to you. I find it laborsome to read or even search for verses from the Bible during the month of Ramadan. I may not approve nor reply to another comment until after the Eid celebrations.

  Thank you for your kind words. Although, I’m doing most of the challenging and therefore it may be easier on my part to maintain a proper decorum. Let’s applaud the Christians who read my post and maintained their composure. Better still, let’s applaud the Christian who recognises and acknowledges the weakness of the Christian position.

  I assume that you are taking issue with my number 6, which is Jesus is not God. I understand that goes against Christian interpretation of scripture and I agree that there are verses in your Bible that makes Jesus an equal part of the Godhead. Though, I don’t think the verses in John 10 that you quoted support that position based on the context but I won’t argue any alternative interpretations because it really is unimportant. If your interpretation is correct that creates a problem for Christianity rather than solving one, because you still have Jesus saying quite clearly that he is not God.

  This is part of what I refer to the inconsistencies in the Bible. You have throughout the Old Testament a clear and precise definition of God. Then comes Jesus and His struggles against the Romans and the Hellenists and suddenly that clear and precise definition becomes muddled. There are no clear statements and Jesus, most of all, seems deeply confused about the issue. He’s not quite sure if he’s a man or God, mirroring the real historic debates between early Christians.

  Your water analogy is poor because water has a fourth stage called plasma. Will you now worship a fourth?

  Even still I understand what your saying, you worship Jesus because worshipping him is worshipping God because they are equal or the same as each other. Let’s look at the Bible and see if your position is actually supported. We read in John 14:28, “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.” Tell me is this verse true, is there anything that makes the Father greater than Jesus?

  I do feel that we’ve gotten slightly ahead of ourselves. Do you realise we have both quoted from the same book to ‘prove’ our positions? But we haven’t asked if the source we are quoting from is even credible! Who wrote it? Why is it in the language of the Hellenists and not the language of Jesus and his followers? Why are there so many interpolations and errors? Please give us a reason that makes the book of John a credible source of information about Jesus.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment and taking the time to read my reply. I pray Allah gives you a desire for truth, the strength to follow it and the courage to abandon previous falsehood.

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    Peter Thatiah

    August 31, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    I think you do a good job in tackling a messy subject with such tact.
    As a Christian, I don’t expect you to be very objective from the other side of the hill. But one thing you got right is that the Bible is full of inconsistencies, fallacies and outright falsehoods. Telling us it doesn’t matter when the genealogies of Jesus in the gospels are different or such thing is to make fool of us, yet many of my fellow Christians say this doesn’t matter. Really???!!!
    If it is God’s word, then it had better tally! There are hundreds of contradictions and let us agree one thing friends: two or three diverging tenets cannot all be true.
    In fact, after studying Christianity for years and practicing it since childhood, I want to try atheism. Someone must explain the inconsistencies in the Bible if they want us to remain in this religion.
    On the other hand, I have never studied Islam but I would really not fancy anything to do with worshiping a god who sanctions the kind of violence they call jihad.

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  Abdullah

  September 1, 2010 at 6:53 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow true righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily.com Peter and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I’m having a hard time taking your comment seriously. What do you mean you want to ‘try’ atheism? Why not study it to find out if it is a viable and accurate world view or just conjecture and then accept it or reject it on that basis? Trying it out like its some type of exotic food you have never seen before is strange. Also, why would you say that you have never studied Islam but reject it based on its concept of Jihad? Are you basing you opinion on what you have heard from the media or did you study this one aspect of Islam and then leave the rest? It is strange to reject a world view that you do not understand because of a word that you do not comprehend.

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    Sajee

    September 12, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Very good article and for those who say that Islam is like terrorism I would like to show them why its called that
    http://bimcrot.tripod.com/sv/misc.html

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    Abdullah

    September 12, 2010 at 9:20 am

    As Salaam Alaykum Sajee and welcome to MyIslamicFamily.

    Thank you for your kind words.

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    kate

    September 23, 2010 at 4:54 am

    Speak for yourself, Abdullah.
    I’m a Christian, and I do know Jesus. He’s my best friend.
    (and the author of my salvation.)

    While you try to be objective and professional, your angry and biased subjectivity leaks through.

    Reason 10 is what I find most laughable.
    I won’t doubt that some idiot claiming to be a Christian missionary would use such tactics, but that doesn’t speak for the congregation as a whole.
    As for Paul, I don’t know where you drew that conclusion, especially because this reason completely lacks an example. Work of Satan? That’s quite a statement to make. Be sure to back that up, alright?
    I’m pretty sure I’m Satan-free. I’m aspiring to be a missionary nurse, not because of some deceitful, satanic agenda, but because I have a genuine love for humanity. I want people to know God and healing. My intentions are pure. “I love because He loved me first.”

    And you seem to not like Christians very much. Aren’t you guys supposed to be loving and peaceful?
    I know that I love you, and anyone else, regardless of what they may or may not believe.

    And you’re one to talk about inconsistencies. The Quran is FULL of them.
    And there is no “inconsistency” in the Bible that doesn’t have an explanation to it. I’ve doubted and I’ve searched and I found answers.

    But Muslims aren’t allowed to question or doubt, according to the Quran, that is.
    Al Ma’ida 5: 101 “O ye who believe! ask not questions about things which if made plain to you may cause you trouble.”

    Number 7 and 6 are wrong, too.
    When Jesus asks the man why he calls Him good, He does not deny that He IS good. He asked the man if he realized whom he was speaking to.
    Jesus claims to be “The good shepherd” which is relevant, because he was referred to as “good teacher.”

    And Jesus does not reject Christians, He states that He looks at the heart, and the fruit of man’s works. People with evil in their hearts will come to Him and call Him Lord, and even though they have done “righteous” things in His name, He will see the evil in their hearts, and the fruit of their works and that their hearts are not surrendered to him.

    Reason 3 lacks sources or examples. I’m really interested to see how you can completely deny the fact that Jesus was crucified or resurrected, when thousands witnessed it.
    If you’re going to make that large of a claim, again, back it up please.

    with love,
    kate.

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  Abdullah

  September 23, 2010 at 9:59 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Kate and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Speak for yourself, Abdullah.
  I’m a Christian, and I do know Jesus. He’s my best friend.
  (and the author of my salvation.)

  While you try to be objective and professional, your angry and biased subjectivity leaks through.

  I’m sorry that I’ve upset you. While I understand why you are upset, be aware that it was not my intention to upset anyone. I have never made the claim of being objective, professional or unbiased. However, if you feel that I have been objective and professional or there was at least the impression of objectivity and professionalism then perhaps I have conducted myself in an acceptable manner.

  How can I be unbiased? I am a Muslim from a Christian background and that will reflect in everything I write about religion. Who can write without bias?

  Reason 10 is what I find most laughable.
  I won’t doubt that some idiot claiming to be a Christian missionary would use such tactics, but that doesn’t speak for the congregation as a whole.
  As for Paul, I don’t know where you drew that conclusion, especially because this reason completely lacks an example. Work of Satan? That’s quite a statement to make. Be sure to back that up, alright?
  I’m pretty sure I’m Satan-free. I’m aspiring to be a missionary nurse, not because of some deceitful, satanic agenda, but because I have a genuine love for humanity. I want people to know God and healing. My intentions are pure. “I love because He loved me first.”

  I never said that every missionary has evil intentions. The missionary goes to impoverished places and calls the people to polytheism. There is nothing more evil than calling towards polytheism therefore, he is in the service of Satan, the accursed devil.

  For proof of missionary deception please read and enjoy: http://myislamicfamily.com/2010/01/26/missionary-deception/

  As for Paul please see: http://biblerrors.com/bible/view/book/philippians/chapter/1/verse/18.

  I wonder, do you find my number 10 so laughable now?

  When Jesus asks the man why he calls Him good, He does not deny that He IS good. He asked the man if he realized whom he was speaking to.
  Jesus claims to be “The good shepherd” which is relevant, because he was referred to as “good teacher.”

  I’ve dealt with this in a previous comment. He does deny it. I find it somewhat amusing that you trying to use one of the titles given to the Biblical Jesus as a proof that he is good and therefore God. Isn’t one of his titles, ‘son of man’ and doesn’t God deny being the son of man (Numbers 23:19)? Who’s quotation is better? How many verses need to be stretched and their obvious meanings ignored to prove that Jesus is God?

  
  And Jesus does not reject Christians, He states that He looks at the heart, and the fruit of man’s works. People with evil in their hearts will come to Him and call Him Lord, and even though they have done “righteous” things in His name, He will see the evil in their hearts, and the fruit of their works and that their hearts are not surrendered to him.

  You are putting words into the Biblical Jesus’ mouth. He does not say that he will see into their hearts and he does not say that they must surrender to him. He says that you must submit yourself to God and do works according to God’s commandment or you are subject to Jesus’ rejection. I will hasten to add, you will be rejected by all the prophets from Adam to Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of Almighty God be upon them, if you fail to submit your whole self to God.

  Reason 3 lacks sources or examples. I’m really interested to see how you can completely deny the fact that Jesus was crucified or resurrected, when thousands witnessed it.
  If you’re going to make that large of a claim, again, back it up please.

  Two examples of an inconstant passion narrative: Were Jesus’ last words these or these? Why does Mark lack an authentic resurrection narrative?

  I already gave a proof that not all early Christians believed in the crucifixion in a previous comment. Moreover, there is no denying that many authors, writing Gospels at that time, excluded the whole event from their works.

  Since your faith rests on that event, you should have something to back it up. Please share and try to convince me.

  And you’re one to talk about inconsistencies. The Quran is FULL of them.

  Please share but do your research first. If I’m spending less than five minutes uncovering your mistake, then I will assume that you are copy/pasting and I don’t have time for that sort of insincere behaviour.

  And there is no “inconsistency” in the Bible that doesn’t have an explanation to it.

  Please give a full explanation of Judas’ death. To help you get started this is Matthew’s version and this is the version of Acts. Perhaps you can also tell us what he did with his ill-gotten reward?

  But Muslims aren’t allowed to question or doubt, according to the Quran, that is.
  Al Ma’ida 5: 101 “O ye who believe! ask not questions about things which if made plain to you may cause you trouble.”

  Your understanding of this beautiful verse is simplistic and wrong. It is saying that we must not ask unnecessary questions that if we knew the answer it would trouble us. A full explanation can be found here.

  God does not require us to have blind faith in Him but rather he calls us to use our intellect:

  In the creation of the heavens and Earth, and the alternation of the night and day, and the ships which sail the seas to people’s benefit, and the water which God sends down from the sky – by which He brings the Earth to life when it was dead and scatters about in it creatures of every kind – and the varying direction of the winds, and the clouds subservient between heaven and Earth, there are signs for people who use their intellect. Quran, 2:164

  Moreover he commands us to look at the Quran carefully:

  Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy. Quran 4:82

  Once again, thank you very much for taking the time to comment. I will look forward to your future contributions.

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    josh

    October 14, 2010 at 7:12 am

    was Jesus a profit?..
    Do prophets lie?..
    Jesus said “i am the way, the truth and the life.. NOONE comes to the Father except THROUGH me.”
    Some of your claims are true, although, i suspect others are based on self bias. maybe try examining the Jesus prophet a little deeper before using such emotive and subjective language to please other followers of Allah and athiests, etc..

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  Abdullah

  October 14, 2010 at 10:59 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily, Josh, and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  was Jesus a profit?..

  Jesus, alayhi sallam, is a prophet and messenger of the Almighty God.

  Do prophets lie?..

  According to the Bible they do much more than just lying. They commit suicide, they murder, they rape, the fornicate, they deceive and they disbelieve in God. Take a look at the actions of the Biblical King David in 2 Samuel chapter 11. Once a man is able to commit the Biblical David’s crimes with full awareness of God, what is a bit of lying?

  Moreover, we have already documented on this page the willful lying of Paul and the deception of Christian missionaries.

  Jesus said “i am the way, the truth and the life.. NOONE comes to the Father except THROUGH me.”

  You quote an anonymously written passage from a book that is corrupted (beginning to end), glorifies crime, insults prophets and endorses lying and you expect me to believe Jesus, alayhi sallam, had anything to do with it? No, Jesus, alayhi sallam, is free from the lies of the Bible.

  Once again, thank you for taking the time to comment. I’m looking forward to any future correspondence.

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    Owais

    October 18, 2010 at 4:33 am

    Very true brother.

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    Malik Gailani

    October 23, 2010 at 3:27 am

    salam my brother Abdullah i wanted to ask katie that how come there is at least 70 different versions of a bible how come all christians cant go to the same church and how is it that it states in the the real bible not the ones they make now that it prohibits pork, alcohol and druggs and how is it that muslims are rapest,and terrorist when america lends foreign countries weopons of mass destruction and has nuclear bombs and how is it that every other news report you here is about a CHRISTIAN priest raping a little child. inshallah these people will see the true path of islam and ALLAh SWA

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    Kamr

    November 2, 2010 at 3:34 am

    Abduallah your AWESOME! seriously your my role model right now…Ive been using everything that you said and telling all my non-Muslim classmates about how Christianity is wrong, one girl actually cried and said “The bible keeps changing every week and I have no idea which religion is right”. Thanks to some of my other Muslim friends three Christians converted to Islam. So in the end i just wanted to say thank youu! =)

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    bryan

    November 3, 2010 at 3:22 am

    all you did was shut down a *** religion so you can do what all christians do, try to convert the weak to your religion. YOUR JUST AS STUPID AS CHRISTIANS YOU IGNORANT ***

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    Abdullah

    November 3, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    @Malik,

    Wa Alaykum Salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu!

    @Kamr

    SubhanaAllah, I’m very happy to hear about your efforts to spread the message of Islam and I’m over the moon to hear that I have helped in some small way. May Allah increase your success and grant you the highest abode in paradise.

    @bryan

    Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

    Thank you for taking the time to comment. There is some irony in being called stupid and ignorant by someone who, in all appearances, lacks even a basic understanding of the topic and yet felt an obligation to comment in an unintelligent and vulgar manner.

    Moreover, It is extremely telling that the only people who posted thoughtless comments were non-Christians and non-Muslims. In fact, your group failed to contribute anything bordering on useful.

    I used to think atheists were typically intelligent, but you are going a long way to proving me wrong.

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    Hisham

    November 8, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah brother Abdullah,

    Keep up the good work brother, MashAllah!!

    To Mr. Daniel (Comment number 18), I’d like to point out that although it is true that Jesus (P) said: “I and the Father are one” in John 10:30, and I believe brother Abdullah’s reply (quoting from the same verse: My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all)is sufficient, if we go to John 17:20-23:

    “20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”

    Applying the same logical process Mr Daniel applied to John 10:30, we deduce that the Christian trinity is false, because it is a “forteenity”: Father + Son + Holy Spirit + 11 disciples (I excluded Judas since He allegedly helped to capture Jesus). Not only that, it seems Jesus here included all Chritians in the holy Godhead. Odd isn’t it?

    Both John 10:30 and 17:20 only means that Jesus’ will and God’s will is One, that whoever loves Jesus (P), loves God, and whoever hates him, hates God… simply because God is the one who sent him. And I firmly believe that NOBODY on earth loves Jesus as much as we Muslims do. You will never find a TRUE Muslim belittling him or disrespecting him, and his love and recognition as a messenger of Allah is a basic tenet of our faith.

    Christians need to really wake up and see that the only thing we are asking them to do is join Jesus’ TRUE religion which is submission to the will of the Almighty and following the last messenger He sent, e.i. Muhammad (P), and whom Jesus and many other prophets in the bible foretold and prophesied (However that’s a whole different subject and is worthy for a different thread probably longer than this one).

    Peace be to those who follow guidance and may God; Allah (in Arabic); Allaha (in Aramahic); Eloh (in Hebrew) guide us to the truth and make us streadfast on the right path.

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    basil

    November 15, 2010 at 4:09 am

    Muslims claim that God cannot enter into His creation, as did Jesus in human flesh according to christians.

    How then, according to the Koran, did God enter into his creation as a fire when he spoke out of and through the burning bush. The only absurd explanation I have heard from a muslim apologetic is that He made the fire make noises in the form of a voice. Really ?

    The Christian postion is not whether he CAN enter HIS creation (which He obviously can) but whether he DID enter into his creation (which they also believe). I remind you that God is all powerful and can do anything he wishes so where is the impossibility of His being able to enter into his creation, whether it be in the human flesh or as a fire. What would be the essential difference between entering creation in human flesh and entering his cresation as a fire.

    Relevant Text
    Sura 20:[10] Behold, he saw a fire: so he said to his family, “Tarry ye; I perceive a fire; perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find some guidance at the fire.”
    Sura 20:[11] But when he came to the fire, a voice was heard: “O Moses!
    Sura 20:[12] “Verily I am thy Lord! therefore (in My presence) put off thy shoes: thou art in the sacred valley Tuwa.
    Sura 20:[13] “I have chosen thee: listen, then to the inspiration (sent to thee).
    Sura 20:[14] “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.

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  Abdullah

  November 15, 2010 at 9:57 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Basil and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I find it slightly amusing that you have decided to raise a new issue, while there remain so many open issues. Is it your intention to divert attention from the obvious flaws in Christian theology that have already been demonstrated?

  How then, according to the Koran, did God enter into his creation as a fire when he spoke out of and through the burning bush. The only absurd explanation I have heard from a muslim apologetic is that He made the fire make noises in the form of a voice. Really ?

  The Quran does not in any place say that God entered into His creation in the form of a fire and there is no Muslim past or present who believes such a non-sense. Moreover, that idea is not even remotely supported by the text. Even in the quotation you give, Mose HEARS a voice but nowhere does it say he SAW a fire speaking and that the fire was God. For a full explanation of this Quranic story see: http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=20&tid=31832

  Isn’t strange to try to prove it is possible for God to have become a man by ascribing to us a belief that we do not have?

  I remind you that God is all powerful and can do anything he wishes so where is the impossibility of His being able to enter into his creation, whether it be in the human flesh or as a fire.

  Can God really do anything? Can He lie? Can He oppress? Can He be unjust? Can He lower Himself? You failed to consider the DIGNITY of God, when you assert that He can ‘obviously’ enter His creation. Moreover, you failed to consider the DIGNITY of God when you claimed that He can enter His creation as a man. Do you know that Jesus, alayhi sallam, ate food? Can you not see the problem with that? Must I spell it out for you?

  O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Quran 4:171]

  And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Quran 5:116]

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    Joe B.

    November 25, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Maybe you can spell it out for me. I might like this one better if you’re allowing New Testament quotes to be used :) Man was given dominion over the Earth and the Messianic prophecies are all through the Old Testament as well as the description of criteria that he would meet such as Son of David which he was. Now don’t be too mean either Abdullah, I haven’t read all the comments in this one yet since it’s pretty long. Thanks.

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    Joe B.

    November 25, 2010 at 3:33 am

    OK, just read your 10 reasons and I really don’t know where to start except that you appear to have misquoted the bible verses that you used as examples and scribes didn’t mean they were biblical scribes. The term is used for teachers in that time. I understand you were a Christian converted to Islam and all but you should know better than what you’re doing and promoting. Every argument I’ve seen you use thus far has used incorrect quotes or is taken out of context.

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    Joe B.

    November 25, 2010 at 5:00 am

    Yeah and obviously God can’t lie, be unjust, or lower himself. That’s why he can’t be looked upon directly by a man, but of course he can oppress. The Israelites are his chosen people, still are to this day. That didn’t mean that he didn’t have to punish them to show them their iniquities, i.e. Babylonian captivity which was prophesied repeatedly before the occurrence by multiple sources. I don’t know but that is an oppression as far as I can tell.

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    Abdullah

    November 30, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

    @Joe

    Maybe you can spell it out for me.

    What do I need to spell out for you?

    Man was given dominion over the Earth and the Messianic prophecies are all through the Old Testament as well as the description of criteria that he would meet such as Son of David which he was.

    What about all the failed prophecies? We have all seen the attempts of Christians to rewrite and reinterpret the Old Testament. Christians read the Hebrew Bible in order to find Jesus in it, rather than read the text and find out what it is saying and teaching.

    scribes didn’t mean they were biblical scribes

    When I wrote ‘scribes’ I was referring to people who copied the Bible.

    Every argument I’ve seen you use thus far has used incorrect quotes or is taken out of context.

    Please show me an incorrect quote and show me where I have taken the verses out of context.

    obviously God can’t lie, be unjust, or lower himself.

    I guess that means you disagree with Basil. You’ve also inadvertently told us Jesus is not God. I thank you. I’ll demonstrate how in the promised post.

    but of course he can oppress

    The all-loving God is an oppressor? What a low opinion of God you have!

    Narrated Abu Dharr: Allah’s Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) stated that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, said: My servants, I have made oppression unlawful for Me and unlawful for you, so do not commit oppression against one another. My servants, all of you are liable to err except one whom I guide on the right path, so seek right guidance from Me so that I may direct you to the right path. O My servants, all of you are hungry (need) except the one whom I feed, so beg food from Me, so that I may give it to you. O My servants, all of you are naked (need clothes) except the one whom I provide with garments, so beg clothes from Me, so that I may clothe you. O My servants, you commit error night and day and I am there to pardon your sins, so beg pardon from Me so that I may grant you pardon.

    I don’t know but that is an oppression as far as I can tell.

    Its best to keep quite about the things we do not know.

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    Jamal Muhammad Ali(formerly Jay Papadopoulos-Telfer)

    December 1, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Hi guys, my name is jamal and i am a new muslim, having been so for the last 2 months. I used 2 be a devout christian before i became muslim. And I thank God for guiding me 2 the undeniable truth, at least in the eyes of God almighty.

    You see, if christians really did have a relationship with jesus(peace and blessings be upon him) that would contradict what it says in john 5:37 – “You have never heard his voice nor seen his face”. And that’s jesus(peace and blessings be upon him) saying that. As you find in the gospels he is also constantly referring to God’s oneness. Nowhere does he say “I am God, and you shall worship me alongside the father”. Christians, if a new bible version was publised today with such a verse in it, would you not find it a bit absurd?

    I was from a pentecostal church. And during the worship(when you sang along and worshipped to the songs) i would often get a high from doing so. This high would put me in a good mood around church hours, but as soon as i got home i would usually start feeling so depressed, literally hungover. You know alcohol and other intoxicants etc put you on a high, then eventually it wears off and you get a hangover, start feeling all wasted and depressed etc? Thats what it can all be compared to. Sundays and other church event days would be so addicting, yet you’d always end up with a spiritual hangover. I know people at the same church that experience exactly the same thing, yet don’t recognize it. Now, getting to the point, are not addictions and stuff that cause hangovers regarded as satanic? They are, so most religions say including islam and christian doctrines. Now, i am not saying christianity is in any way satanic, but when i listen and read the works of church pastors talking bout the huge influence of satan within the religion, you know something’s waiting to be uncovered. Satan loved how i had deviated from what i only just realised i always felt in my heart and soul to be true. He and his minions go to pentecostal and charismatic churches and PARTY HARD!!! After all, these are people whom they have misguided, so why not party and play with them. The best bit is that they dont even realise it. They THINK theyre worshipping God(which strictly speaking, they are indeed) but are also(in fact) doing what God doesnt want them to do – assign partners to Him(who never claimed to be Him nor directly responsible for all his actions eg creating the universe).

    And finally, ALL the prophets were muslims. And tbh thats not my opinion. Thats the truth. My opinion is different because as a mere human being, still at school etc i dont know the names of all God’s prophets from Adam to Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon them both). The most important pillar of Islam is the Shahadah – the testimony/belief of faith in which you believe, testify and acknowledge that there is no God but the 1 true God(whatever he was called over the range of years, Eloha, Alaha, Allah, doesnt matter) who has no partners nor equals, and that whoever the most recent prophet is/was is His messenger. Now in the world of today, we use Muhammad(peace be upon him) as he was the final messenger of God. There are/were no messengers sent after him. So for example, people living after Jesus(peace be upon him) and before Muhammad(peace be upon him) would most likely have believed, acknowledged and testified that there is no God but the 1 true God(whom Jesus peace be upon him called Alaha in aramaic, the language he spoke at the time) who has no partners nor equals, and that Jesus is his messenger. Get what I mean? So all the prophets were muslims. Yes, some of them might have been jewish IN ETHNICITY but hey im greek and im muslim so…

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    Joe B.

    December 2, 2010 at 6:17 am

    Hi Abdullah,

    Do you know that Jesus, alayhi sallam, ate food? Can you not see the problem with that? Must I spell it out for you?

    That’s you’re comment I was asking you to spell out for me. Now, God is omnipotent and omniscient, basically infinite while man is finite. We can agree on that. You don’t believe in the Trinity but I already explained the creation of man, his dominion over the earth, and why Jesus would be God in the form of man. This is not to say that the Son of God did not exist at least 4000 years before the immaculate conception in a different form. Agreeing on what we know of God, it is written, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:…. Genesis 1:26. Why did God say ‘our image, after our likeness’? Angels don’t look like God. Cherubim, Seraphim, even Satan’s original likeness aren’t that of men or God the Father. Further, as far as the Trinity goes, the second form of God the Father is mentioned in Genesis 1:2, And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. That’s two out of three within the first three sentences of the Old Testament, and in the Qur’an 4:171 Jesus is referred to as the Word of God as well as the Spirit of God. These things aren’t attributed to Muhammad. Not to mention the immaculate conception which isn’t denied by Islam. There aren’t any other examples of that, Holy Bible or Qur’an.

    Before I go any further, I’d appreciate it if you could avoid speaking to me in a condescending tone. Thanks in advance.

    What about all the failed prophecies? We have all seen the attempts of Christians to rewrite and reinterpret the Old Testament. Christians read the Hebrew Bible in order to find Jesus in it, rather than read the text and find out what it is saying and teaching.

    Following the last request of respectful discussion, categorizing all Christians as reading the text to find Jesus is wrong. The first thing my pastor instructed me to do was to read the Word myself and not to just take his or anyone else’ interpretation.

    And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. Jeremiah 29:13

    As for me,

    This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. Joshua 1:8

    Did Christians rewrite and reinterpret the Old Testament or Israelites or God or Islam? There were Messianic Jews then and there are Messianic Jews now. A prophet is a messenger of God, so it stands to reason they convey messages from God. I don’t know of the failed prophecies you spoke of per say. I do discern that there were examples of the Israelites actually listening to God’s chosen messengers and returning to a path of righteousness before the eyes of the Lord God as in the case of the city of Nineveh and the prophet Jonah. And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. Jonah 3:10. Most of the prophets that brought the Word of God to the Israelites to show them their iniquities were persecuted or killed, and there were false prophets then as there is now who preached what the people wanted to hear.

    I guess that means you disagree with Basil. You’ve also inadvertently told us Jesus is not God. I thank you. I’ll demonstrate how in the promised post.

    That’s not what I’m saying at all. Jesus defeated sin and Satan on the cross because of His love for us thus purchasing our salvation. This removed the previous sacraments/sin offerings the Israelites had been practicing as well as provided an intercessor between Israelites and Gentiles to God the Father. You appear to be stuck on the whole if God was among us, he would be lowering himself. Dwelling amongst us preaching the Word and suffering the worst most torturous death possible did nothing less than glorify God the Father which glorified Jesus. It is the ultimate manifestation of God’s immeasurable grace.

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    This rejection is for the Trinitarian who ascribes Jesus as a partner to God, because there is nothing more evil and disgusting than ascribing a partner to God.

    That’s not a rejection of the Trinity, it is a rejection of false profession. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like… Luke 6:46, both of which are followed by the parable of two builders and two foundations.

    I don’t know but that is an oppression as far as I can tell.

    Its best to keep quite about the things we do not know.

    I like that and appreciate it. I will reword it, since apparently the word oppression is being used differently by the two of us.

    The all-loving God is an oppressor? What a low opinion of God you have!

    That statement and the way you seem to be looking at the term oppress to me seems to insinuate unfair which is not what I’m saying or what I meant. My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. Proverbs 3:11-12

    I saw your statement but you didn’t critique the Babylonian captivity. I think allowing Nebuchadnezzar to subjugate all of Israel and Judah as a correction for their iniquities was oppressive. Is slavery oppressive to you? That’s not to say that it was overly oppressive. It’s to say that God has repeatedly showed his grace and mercy to the Israelites who still would turn to false gods and idols, but he always restores them because of his promise.

    Thanks.

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  Abdullah

  January 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  You said, “Before I go any further, I’d appreciate it if you could avoid speaking to me in a condescending tone. Thanks in advance.”.

  While it is true that I find many of your beliefs to be abhorrent and contrary to logic and conscience, I am not ‘speaking’ to you in a condescending tone. It is difficult to interpret the mood in which something is written. After all, you cannot read tone or read facial expressions. Therefore, I ask you to be generous by giving me the benefit of the doubt, whenever you come across something that may seem condescending.

  You wanted me to explain what the problem with Jesus eating food in relation to his supposed divinity? You told us all that God cannot lower Himself and you asserted that becoming a man and eating food is not lowering. However, you have not considered that there is a consequence to eating food, which is contrary to the Dignity of God. A byproduct of the digestive system is waste. That waste collects in the intestines and is eventually expelled from the body through the anus. We all walk around with a certain amount of feces in our body, which is fine because we are lowly humans. However, this is unacceptable for the Lord of mankind and all creation.

  The fact that Jesus used to defecate undermines much of your argument regarding Jesus’ suitability to be God-incarnate. Moreover, if you stick to your original position that God cannot lower Himself, you will be forced to admit that Jesus is not and cannot be God.

  You asked, “Why did God say ‘our image, after our likeness’?”.

  I don’t know that He did say that. There are numerous factual errors in the first chapter of Genesis. If there are verifiable errors, how can any trust be put into the unverifiable?

  In any case, I am certain that the person, who wrote the verse did not mean to include the excretion of bodily wastes in this ‘likeness’.

  You said, “Following the last request of respectful discussion, categorizing all Christians as reading the text to find Jesus is wrong. The first thing my pastor instructed me to do was to read the Word myself and not to just take his or anyone else’ interpretation.”.

  You say this and yet you are guilty of imposing your theology on the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself. Look at your treatment of Genesis 1:2, you force your idea of the Holy Ghost on it. If someone, who had never heard of the Trinity, read that same verse they would not come to the conclusion that you have. The Jews never had a concept of the Trinity and yet the Old Testament belongs to them.

  The fact that you impose your own theology on the text you read is highlighted on your treatment of the Holy Quran. You read words that seemed to correlate to your understanding and without consideration for the text and its explanation you impose your belief upon it. Moreover, you are guilty of arbitrarily capitalizing words to alter the impression of those words. A crime Bible translators have been guilty of by arbitrarily capitalizing Son of God when referring to Jesus but using son of God when referring to others, despite the fact that the same words were used, without any variation. That is they are imposing their theology on the text, rather than allowing the text to speak for itself.

  This is a proper explaination of those words taken from Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

  (Al-Masih `Isa, son of Maryam, was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam and a spirit from [created by] Him;) `Isa is only one of Allah’s servants and one of His creatures. Allah said to him, `Be’, and he was, and He sent him as a Messenger. `Isa was a word from Allah that He bestowed on Maryam, meaning He created him with the word `Be’ that He sent with Jibril to Maryam. Jibril blew the life of `Isa into Maryam by Allah’s leave, and `Isa came to existence as a result. This incident was in place of the normal conception between man and woman that results in children. This is why `Isa was a word and a Ruh (spirit) created by Allah, as he had no father to conceive him. Rather, he came to existence through the word that Allah uttered, `Be,’ and he was, through the life that Allah sent with Jibril.

  You said, “Not to mention the immaculate conception which isn’t denied by Islam.”.

  It’s not that it isn’t denied, the Quran confirms its truthfulness. However, you are over estimating its worth. It in no way supports the supposed divinity of Jesus.

  Allah says in His Quran (3:59),

  The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was.

  What is creating a man without a father when one is capable of creating a man from the dust of the Earth? If you think that Jesus is superior to Muhammad because of the immaculate conception then you must acknowledge that Adam is better than Jesus (peace be upon them all).

  You said, “Did Christians rewrite and reinterpret the Old Testament or Israelites or God or Islam?”

  Why did you fail to answer this question?

  You said, “There were Messianic Jews then and there are Messianic Jews now.”

  This adds nothing to your argument. I do not dispute that Jesus is a messiah (according to the Bible there have been many many messiahs). A messiah is someone that is appointed by God and does not denote divinity.

  You wrote, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16″.

  John 3:16 is an interpolation (later addition) and it contradicts other Bible verses. As a result, it is more of an embarrassment on your creed than a credit.

  You said, “That’s not a rejection of the Trinity, it is a rejection of false profession.”

  No. It is a rejection of the Trinity, because Jesus is rejecting people that fail to follow the commandments of the ‘Father’ and His first commandment is to worship Him alone.

  Oppression means, the exercise of authority or power in a burdensome, cruel, or unjust manner.

  If you know about God’s nature then you would understand that God uses a system of carrots and sticks to test our patience, fortitude and gratitude and therefore no extra comment needs to be made regarding any historical event, where people have suffered.

  Here’s a question for you, does God repent?

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    Hicham

    December 2, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah,

    Nice comment brother jamal, welcome to the family and may Allah keep you steadfast and bring more people to the truth through you inshAllah.

    I agree completely with what you said about going to church. Both protestant churches and catholic ones (which tend to be considered slightly more boring by churchgoers) use all the paraphernalia: music, chanting, images, statues, huge organs…etc. in what we can call a “performance”. People might not believe a word the preacher or priest says, but they still go… wy? because the music and all that paraphernalia gives them certain feelings: joy, awe, sadness, repentence, solidarity, security…etc. which in the dramaturgical world (theatre) would be called “Catharsis”

    It is an act of communication involving a transmitter (church, priest or church in general), a receiver (the christian churchgoer), using a certain code (English, Spanish, or sign language!), to transmit a certain message (Jesus loves you!) through a certain channel (all the paraphernalia) to cause a certain effect (the catharsis and donating money to the church).

    Now, it has nothing to do with the truthness of the message (Jesus died on the cross to redeem all of us), rather it is the rest of factors that make christians comes back to church.

    Wassalaam

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    Megan

    December 5, 2010 at 2:52 am

    what an amazing and extravagant was to expose the false hope and lies that is christianity! but i dont want to go and bash other religions abd say S*** about them but we will find out in the end. IsLam is the right religion. people follow christianity because its the easy religion. you guys go to church only on sundays and dont do shit for the next 6 week and some people dont even go. plus no one enforces to not have boyfriends and girlfriends in mostly american kids are having sex as early as 14 or even 12 and this is what christianity teaches. the worst crap ever. christianity is wrong. ISLAM is Right!

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    David Mardakov

    December 20, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    Allah is a moon god idol and is a false god from the satan that decieves billions…

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  Abdullah

  January 7, 2011 at 12:14 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily David and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  While I appreciate that fact that you did comment, I should warn you that I deleted one whole comment and I removed most of this one. I did that because your comments were off-topic and I’m trying hard to keep the discussion from straying too far from the original topic.

  You said, “Allah is a moon god idol and is a false god from the satan that decieves billions…”.

  Is that really what Allah means to you? Can ‘moon god idols’ create the heaven and the earth? I ask because I remember seeing this word in the Bible, specifically the Arabic Life Application Bible. In Genesis 1:1 it says, “فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ،”. Now my Arabic is not perfect, but it seems to be suggesting that ‘Allah’ created the heaven and earth!

  I’m astounded! If Allah really is a ‘moon god idol from the satan’, then we must concluded that the Bible is ‘the satan’s’ book of evil misguidance!

  Moral of the story: Don’t let blind hatred and irrationality overwhelm your brain.

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    Mike

    January 4, 2011 at 2:01 am

    To Megan,

    There are a ton of christian hypocrites in this world. Those so called “christians” claim they are saved but then when they are at the judgement seat of Christ, Jesus will say ‘I never knew you begone”. Knew means having a relationship with Christ and living a life following his commandments and serving him.

    Genuine faith means you know love Christ, you want to put your life on it and do the works. Faith is what leads to works and its evidence of salvation. Somewhere in James says that without works, faith is dead.

    The beauty of Christianity is that God comes to us and we don’t have to work for anything to earn salvation, it is all by grace and mercy while Islam, Buddhism and other religions say we have to earn our way

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  Abdullah

  January 13, 2011 at 9:52 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Mike and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I was going to reply to your comment by pointing out the fact that the Biblical Jesus hadn’t actually said anything you ascribed to him. Then I was going to question you on your need to put words into his mouth, while seemingly ignoring the words the Bible says he did say. I’ve already addressed this issue with another commenter.

  Your comment highlights another issue that I’ve found to be quite common amongst Christians, which is believing fully in two conflicting statements.

  You said, “Knew means having a relationship with Christ and living a life following his commandments and serving him.”.

  Following commandments and serving are both actions. They require you to do something. This requirement of doing is supported in the book of James 1:22,”But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.“.

  Then you followed that up by saying, “Faith is what leads to works and its evidence of salvation. Somewhere in James says that without works, faith is dead.”.

  This follows nicely from the previous comment. Faith is worthless if it is not accompanied by works.

  Oddly you finish your comment by saying, “The beauty of Christianity is that God comes to us and we don’t have to work for anything to earn salvation, it is all by grace and mercy while Islam, Buddhism and other religions say we have to earn our way.”.

  Before this you wrote about how works were evidence for salvation and without works your faith is dead, but suddenly you don’t need to work for anything?

  It seems that you are in two minds. First you wrongly attribute words to Jesus, then rightly demonstrate that according to Christianity faith without works is meaningless and you cap it all off by saying you don’t need to do anything in Christianity to attain salvation!

  Moreover, you have made another mistake in your comment. Islam does not teach that we get to heaven by doing good deeds.

  Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise.” (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet’s companions) said, ‘Not even you, O Allah’s Apostle?’ He said, “Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me.” So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah.”

  I implore you to use more caution when discussing religion. We will all be held accountable for what we say and do, as those are reflections on the condition of our hearts.

  All praise and thanks belong to God alone.

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    Adil

    January 5, 2011 at 6:30 am

    Assalamalaykum brothers and sisters, my name is Adil and I have been a Muslim all my life. However for last couple of years, I began to really think about my religion and the afterlife. Living as a Muslim in U.S. is hard considering all the violence, nudity, sex, and other sins committed here that are not as vast in other countries. But what is most troubling with me is the THEORY OF EVOLUTION. Its in school, on T.V., in books, and magazines. Abdullah how do you refute the THEORY OF EVOLUTION and what can I tell other atheists if they try to sway me in the wrong direction because of this theory? Thanks.

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  Abdullah

  January 5, 2011 at 8:27 am

  My dear brother in Islam,

  As Salaam Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

  Your comment is off topic. Have a read of this post: Does Evolution Defeat Allah? and then post any follow up comments there.

  If you are looking for ways to address atheists, you might want to have a look at brother Hamza Andreas Tzortzis’s blog and brother Adad Deen’s site as their dawah consists mainly of refuting atheism.

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    Followeroftheway

    January 12, 2011 at 1:56 am

    Lies you tell. The last statement you made is of ignorance and you should be ashamed.
    That is a technicality. Just because you prove someone wrong doesnt mean you are right. Thats a factual stament! Listen to the truth of God.
    The God who sits on the throne. Read more into The Good Book then come and make false statements this ignorance is absurd. I cannot tolerate such claims.

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    Hicham

    January 12, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Follower of the way (whatever way that is),

    You can sit there and repeat the words “false”, “ignorance” and “factual” for the rest of your life, but that won’t make a difference. Your whole comment just threw a few empty accusations without bringing any evidence (a textual reference for example). The more we read into the “Good” Book the more we see the clear human interpolations and manipulations.
    Christ (the Messiah) brought the truth, but Christianity is not it.

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    Katriona

    January 14, 2011 at 1:13 am

    People like you who publicly disrespect other religions like this make me ashamed to be a Muslim. Although you may have evidence, it is not up to you what is right and what is wrong, it’s up to Allah. It even says in the Qu’ran that Christians who do righteous good deeds will be rewarded. Why would Allah reward anyone following a false religion?

    And if this wasn’t disrespect, why would so many people be offended? Thank God not all Muslims are like you.

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  Abdullah

  January 14, 2011 at 9:24 am

  As Salaam Alaykum wa Rahmatullah,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank your for taking the time to comment.

  I have mixed feelings about your comment. On one hand, you feel ashamed of being a Muslim because of me. On the other hand, I’m glad that you’ve made some of the comments that you did. As it gives me a chance to explain what may be in the minds of others.

  You said, “People like you who publicly disrespect other religions like this make me ashamed to be a Muslim.” and you said, “And if this wasn’t disrespect, why would so many people be offended?”.

  My intention was never to be disrespectful and I don’t feel that I have been. I don’t believe that we as Muslims have a right to disrespect others, no matter how far from the straight path they seem. However, we do have the right to speak a truthful word even if it pains the listener.

  When the prophet, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, destroyed the idols people were worshiping, do you think the people were pleased or offended?

  People often get offended by truth when they hold falsehood or the adherents of falsehood dear.

  Allah informed the prophet, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, that the idolators would find the truth hard. Therefore, we are not at all surprised by the offense caused when we call towards the religion of Allah.

  The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah – the which We have sent by inspiration to thee – and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). [Quran 42:13]

  You said, “Although you may have evidence, it is not up to you what is right and what is wrong, it’s up to Allah.”.

  Very true, Allah decides what is right and what is wrong. Therefore, we Muslims look to the Quran for guidance and understanding. What does Allah tell us regarding the Christians?

  O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Quran 4:171]

  Allah also calls worshiping Jesus as a derogation,

  And behold! Allah will say: “O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah’?” He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Quran 5:116]

  You said, “It even says in the Qu’ran that Christians who do righteous good deeds will be rewarded. Why would Allah reward anyone following a false religion?”.

  The first thing you should know is that there are two types of rewards, one in the world and one in the hereafter. The unbeliever gets his reward for righteous deeds in this life and does not get anything but punishment in the next left. A Muslim may get some of his reward in this life and the next.

  A Christian, Hindu or Atheist, will get rewarded in this life as Allah allows but they get punishment in the next because their crime of disbelief is so serious and so hideous.

  Allah says in His Quran,

  If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). [Quran 3:85]

  May Allah protect us from all evil.

  I maintain this post and I reply to the comments not because I want to cause injury to a group of people. I want to share Islam with them and save them from the terrible punishment that they are running towards. As a former Christian, I know too well the deception they (unknowingly) suffer. As a Muslim, I know the horrible and permanent end they will be forced to endure if they remain as Christians. If I fail in attempting to convey the message, then I should be ashamed of myself.

  O Allah, keep your believing slaves firm upon the straight path. O Allah guide the sincere Christians to You and forgive them their past misdeeds.

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    Hicham

    January 14, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Alhamdulillah I am so proud of you brother Abdullah,

    Katriona, those Christians mentioned in the Quran are the ones who lived before prophet Muhammad (P) and did not associate any false gods with Allah. Regarding the ones who have heard of prophet Muhammad’s message and refuse to follow him, the Prophet (P) said: There is no one of this Ummah, whether he be a Jew or Christian, who hears of me and does not believe in me, except that he will enter the Hellfire.

    If you know the falsehood of Christian doctrines and do not convey it and clarify it to them and invite them to the path of tawheed and truth, then you would have withheld knowledge, and we all know the severe punishments for those who withhold knowledge. May Allah protect us all from from his wrath.

    Brother Abdullah did not treat anybody disrespectfully here, and if you say otherwise, show me an instance of him speaking disrespectfully to any person making comments etc.

    Thos who are offended by the truth have irrational motives to do so. The unbelievers were very offended when the Prophet (P) asked them to stop worshipping idols… did he stop his mission? I find YOUR comment, KATRIONA, very disrespectful and repulsive… and Alhamdulillah not all muslims are like YOU. And may Allah mae more muslims like brother Abdullah.

    wassalam

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    Hicham

    January 14, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Stop and think about your comment Katriona
    Just this statement in itself: “make me ashamed to be a Muslim”
    shows us the type of muslim you are…

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  Abdullah

  January 14, 2011 at 9:47 am

  As Salaam Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu,

  Brother Hicham, I appreciate your support and I hope that I can rely on that support in future.

  We should be more generous towards Katriona. While I feel her criticism was misplaced and her statement about being ashamed was unfortunate, I am confident that she possesses qualities that are found wanting in me.

  Her statement, “Thank God not all Muslims are like you.” was spot on. Thank God, I’m a lowly nothing compared to other Muslims. Thank God the Muslim Ummah is replete with outstanding Muslims and true heroes. Islam would be in a pitiful state, if there were too many of me.

  May Allah forgive you, her, me and all the Muslims. Ameen.

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    Hicham

    January 14, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Wa alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh,

    InshAllah you will always have my support, and it is my duty to think good and expect the best of my fellow muslim brothers and sisters.

    The beautiful way in which you always manifest your modesty proves wrong Katriona’s assumptions about you.

    If only your methodology of making dawah was wrong, I would see some point in Katriona’s comment. However, alhamdulillah it is speckless and you always show the utmost of respect to your readers, which leaves no room for her objections.

    I wish I could show the patience you show akhi. My humble advice for her is to reevaluate her positions, because in this war (at least in the dialectical sense) of truth and falsehood, we all will be questioned at the end about who we took sides with.

    I believe there is no need to keep talking about these marginal issues, the focus here should be on the real issue you raised about the authenticity of Christian doctrine. If some of your readers seem to be mad about our claims, that is only because they do not have the mechanisms to confront them, and choose either to use the typical generic statements such as “the bible is the only sacred writing that can be proven” or just go for some ad hominem attacks (attacking the messenger instead of tackling the message). Just absolute hopelessness!

    Forgive me from diverting from the topic akhi.

    May Allah bless you and your family.

    Wassalaamu alaikum

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    Katriona

    January 21, 2011 at 12:49 am

    I’m sorry for my rudeness but when I read this/commented on it I was still pissed off from the last 3 words of the title: “Christianity is false”, cos I know so many good Christians who’d be upset by this.

    I’m just saying that how can a religion be false, if it’s got so much truth in it, regardless of the fact that the Bible was manmade and has been modified so much?

    Basically the ten points didn’t offend me, just the title, cos if Christianity has got so much TRUTH then I doubt it is false. And the title is probably what annoyed the Christians who commented on this.

    And please don’t do an analysis of this comment. But when I’m more educated on Islam, I’ll be happy to debate with you :) I just love so many people who love Christianity and cos the title would upset them it upset me too. Sorry if I repeated myself a lot btw, I’m jusyt tired..

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  Abdullah

  January 21, 2011 at 8:55 am

  As Salaam Alaykum,

  I accept your apology. Let this be the last comment on the issue as Brother Hicham suggested.

  There may be truths mixed into Christianity but its foundation is based upon an enormous falsehood. It is this falsehood that must be confronted because it is taking otherwise good people to the depths of Hell.

  If you love people, who love Christianity, then strive to save them! Rescue them from the abyss, just as you would a blind man from falling off a cliff.

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    gr8scott

    January 26, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Your first point, I believe, makes little sense to me. I know that there are a lot of missionaries who in the past have not accurately represented what Christianity is all about, but for the most part they are an asset not only to Christianity but to the world.
    The way I understand it, modern missionaries do not go into the mission field *just* to preach. They go to those who are in need- the sick, the hungry, the poor, etc. and they help them in the name of Jesus. They don’t say “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and I’ll give you food.” They help people because that’s what Jesus wants people to do- help one another. Check out a website called. They go to Africa and give free (and often life-saving) surgeries regardless of the religious beliefs of the patient. Good missionaries don’t force Christ on people, they open the door. They plant the seed. They help, but they cannot do it alone. There is no material gain for missionaries. Their expenses are covered and sometimes there is a small salary, but they go into poor regions with none of the luxuries people in more developed countries are used to, often enduring violence at the hands of radical groups. (and seldom at the hands of those whom they are helping. If missionaries were evil “vultures,” wouldn’t they meet more resistance? Missionaries often work within their own communities as well.

    The verse you used (Luke 18:19) is not Jesus saying He is not God. It is someone calling Jesus “good” (a word reserved for God) and Jesus saying, “oh, so you do recognize Me as God then?”
    Anna is right about the verse you used (Matthew 7:21-23). It is people who try to take the glory for themselves instead of giving it to God who will be rejected.
    I don’t understand why you’re saying that “the people were already forgiven.” They were not. Jesus died for their sins. Many witnessed his death and his being alive after the crucifixion. His miracles were witnessed by many. He walked with wounds but He had no fatigue, no sickliness. He triumphed over death.
    My problems with Islam are numerous. I understand that most Muslims are peaceful people, and I have several Muslim friends. However, I cannot be comfortable with a religion in which a man claims to have had a religious experience in a cave by himself. There were a lot of witnesses to the crucifixion, and many historians collaborate the event, but the Qu’ran denies it, saying they killed a likeness of Jesus. I cannot condone a religion that tells you to admonish, deprive, and hit your wife if she does not listen to you(4:34), that tells you to fight (2:216; 4:95). This is coming from a former Atheist who has looked at Christianity through a skeptical eye. I have looked and I have seen. I have found and been found.

    I of course mean no disrespect, and I do understand that many Muslims are peaceful. Interesting article, but I do believe more research and more conversations with actual Christians needs to be done. :)

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  Abdullah

  January 27, 2011 at 11:08 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Your first point, I believe, makes little sense to me. I know that there are a lot of missionaries who in the past have not accurately represented what Christianity is all about, but for the most part they are an asset not only to Christianity but to the world.

  Actually they are representing Christianity as the founder of Christianity represented it. I have already mentioned verses where Paul admits to lying in order to secure the convert but I will quote two of them again for your convince.

  “But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?” Romans 3:7

  “But what does it matter? Nothing matters except that, in one way or another, people are told the message about Christ, whether with honest or dishonest motives, and I’m happy about that. Yes, I will continue to be happy.” Philippians 1:18

  Moreover, this is not a blot on Christianity’s stained history. It is part of its present condition, supported by the New Testament.

  The way I understand it, modern missionaries do not go into the mission field *just* to preach. They go to those who are in need- the sick, the hungry, the poor, etc. and they help them in the name of Jesus. They don’t say “confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and I’ll give you food.” They help people because that’s what Jesus wants people to do- help one another.

  I used to attend a missionary church and I have sat in meetings with missionaries. Those conversations were always about numbers. Not numbers of people helped or houses built. The number of converts to Christianity and how to improve. The helping is a gimmick to soften peoples hearts toward their message. The goal for missionaries has not changed, just their tactics and methodology. They can no longer force people to convert through violence and murder. So, they employ deceit and trickery.

  If missionaries were evil “vultures,” wouldn’t they meet more resistance?

  Do vultures meet resistance from the one they are eating? The people they are preying upon are dead. They are people without education, without money, with poor health and they cannot envision a future for themselves. They are unaware that the fire is consuming them. Moreover, this is evil masked by a smiling face and a handout. When the devil comes, he does not carry a pitchfork or have horns coming out of his head.

  often enduring violence

  They endure violence because they enter places and do work under false pretenses. They kidnap children, pretend to work for humanitarian charities, wear false beards and break local laws. Moreover, you will always find missionaries following closely behind the US army. It is only natural that someone is going to be upset with such clandestine organizations.

  The verse you used (Luke 18:19) is not Jesus saying He is not God. It is someone calling Jesus “good” (a word reserved for God) and Jesus saying, “oh, so you do recognize Me as God then?”

  Jesus never said ‘do you recognize me as God?’ You are forcing your theology on the Biblical Jesus. The proof for that is if you went outside and passed two men having the same conversation, you would not come to the same conclusion. Moreover, there is nothing in the conversation with the man who asked the question, or with Jesus’ disciples that gives any weight to your interpretation.

  Anna is right about the verse you used (Matthew 7:21-23). It is people who try to take the glory for themselves instead of giving it to God who will be rejected.

  Anna is wrong and you are wrong. It says nothing about glory. It says, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” That is a very plain statement. According to this verse attributed to the Biblical Jesus a condition to entering heaven is doing the “Father’s” will. In other words, if you don’t do what God wants you to do then you won’t have a place in heaven. The first thing God commands His creation is to worship none other than Him.

  I don’t understand why you’re saying that “the people were already forgiven.” They were not.

  The Bible disagrees with you. It lays out the conditions for forgiveness quite nicely in the following verse:

  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

  For those that continuously read Jesus into the Old Testament, why is he suddenly missing when God is speaking about the exact thing Jesus was meant to do?

  However, I cannot be comfortable with a religion in which a man claims to have had a religious experience in a cave by himself.

  Are you sure about this statement? Does Moses not go to the burning bush alone? Do not be in such a rush to disparage someone, you may end up disparaging your own religion.

  There were a lot of witnesses to the crucifixion, and many historians collaborate the event, but the Qu’ran denies it, saying they killed a likeness of Jesus.

  Yet, many Christians of that time did not believe in the Crucifixion and many Gospels were written that did not mention it. If there are historians who believe Jesus was crucified, then it only confirms what the Quran is saying. Moreover, theologically it is impossible for Jesus to be crucified. Do you know why the Jews were in such a hurry to crucify him? Why not just kill him? They had plenty of opportunities. John the Baptist was killed, without too much fuss.

  I cannot condone a religion that tells you to admonish, deprive, and hit your wife if she does not listen to you(4:34)

  I wonder why you chose to ‘paraphrase’ this verse in the most negative fashion to the point that you have distorted its message? This verse always seems to pop up, when someone tries to criticize Islam. Moreover, I have never seen the person quoting the verse to show any comprehension or concern for the actual message.

  Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband’s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). [Yusuf Ali translation]

  For a thorough explanation of the verse please see: http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/dv-4-34-shafaat.html

  that tells you to fight

  Before you condemn the Quran for the “obligation to fight”, you must first condemn the Bible’s command to fight and the fighting of the Biblical prophets. Are you ready to do that?

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I look forward to your more considered reply.

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    Hicham

    January 31, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah brother Abdullah
    I would like to thank you for your enriching comments, your answers are always precise and very well put mashAllah.
    Whoever does not understand, it is because they don’t want to. And denial is not the best choice.
    May Allah open people’s hearts to the truth. ameen.
    Wassalaam

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    zahra

    February 19, 2011 at 5:14 am

    Asalam o alaikum brother!!
    MashaAllah i like your answers and you great work.MAy Allah reward you his best Jannah…I whole heartedly appreciate your work
    May Allah give hidaya to whole humanity…Ameen!!!!

    Asalam o Alaikum wa rahmatullah!!!!

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    Laura

    March 11, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Thank you for your patience with the various people who have commented. I just read through all of the comments and it has got me looking through my Bible at the various references quoted. I enjoy discussions that encourage us to turn to the roots of our faiths.

    I have a question for you that I hope you can answer. I have heard from other Muslims as well that they believe that the Bible and Torah have been corrupted and changed over time. Do you know of any other copies of the bible that prove this point? You had mentioned that John 3:16 is an interpolation. Do you have evidence of that or where could I go to find out why people have come to this conclusion?

    Thank you so much for your openness and sincerity.

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  Abdullah

  March 11, 2011 at 7:28 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I’m pleased that you have enjoyed reading this discussion. I ask Allah to cause it to be a source of goodness for you.

  You said, “I have heard from other Muslims as well that they believe that the Bible and Torah have been corrupted and changed over time. Do you know of any other copies of the bible that prove this point?”

  I can give you a very quick example. The book of Mark in the Codex Sinaiticus stops at 16:8 and there is no 16:9. If you read 16:8 carefully you can see where the author of 16:8 is trying to wrap up his narrative. Yet someone has followed along and added another 12 verses. Bible scholars now regard these last 12 verses as interpolations. However, that hasn’t prevented them from becoming an established fixture in modern Bibles.

  The Bible scholar, Adam Clarke, wrote in his Commentary of the Bible, regarding Jeremiah 8:8, ‘The deceitful pen of the scribes. They have written falsely, though they had the truth before them. It is too bold an assertion to say that “the Jews have never falsified the sacred oracles;” they have done it again and again. They have written falsities when they knew they were such.‘

  One such falsity was the usurping of Ishmael’s right of the firstborn son to Abraham, may the peace and blessing be upon both of them.

  You said, “You had mentioned that John 3:16 is an interpolation. Do you have evidence of that or where could I go to find out why people have come to this conclusion?”

  I’m surprised that this question hasn’t been asked until now, since it is so heavily quoted by Christians.

  I can’t remember the exact quotation but I think it is in one of Professor Bart D. Ehrman’s books (most likely Misquoting Jesus).

  Beyond that it also contradicts other Bible verses, such as: Psalms 2:7.

  Once again, thank you for taking the time to comment. I look forward to any future comments.

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    Hicham

    March 11, 2011 at 9:32 am

    To Laura:

    Peace be upon thos who follow guidance,

    I hope you have an open mind and open heart to consider the following:

    Allah may He be exhalted and glorified says in the Quran in chapter 4 verse 82:

    “Were it from anyone other than Allah they would have found many discrepancies therein.”

    Many learned and wellversed Christian and ex-Christian theologians and pgilology experts, have come to the conclusion that there are too many contradictions within the compendium of books we now call the Bible. One simply has to check the footnotes of the various versions of the bible and compare, and one finds many verses that are labeled as inexistent in some of the manuscripts or all of them.

    I use the most famous bible site to compare the different versions (biblegateway.com), I also compare them in different languages such as English, Spanish, Arabic, French..etc. And I also find many differences when it comes to translation and interpretation. Let’s not forget that after all the English bible is nothing but a translation based on some of the manuscripts (which date to centuries after Jesus’ Glorification) the translator had available at that time.

    This is a tiny example of the facts I am refering to, and I think this article is very mild in its analysis of these deep inconcistencies.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible_interpolation#The_only_begotten_Son_.28John_1:18.29

    Unfortunately, some of the theologians I refered to left Christianity and became Atheists and have wrote books declaring that God does not exist, and they have slandered his Prophet Jesus peace be upon him. They have failed to see that the problem here is not Jesus the Messiah, it is Christianity in its current form, since it contradicts the most basic beliefs Jesus had.

    They also fail to see that Jesus brought the Evangelion, i.e. the Gospel (Good News/Good tidings/Good Anouncement) and we know based on the Quranic verses that this good anouncement is none other than the arrival of the Last Messenger of Allah, Prophet Muhammad, who, unlike the regional messengers send before him, has been sent to the whole of humanity.

    Quoting Jesus peace be upon him who is addresses the israelites the Quran says:

    “And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad.” But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, “This is obvious magic.” 61:6

    Ahmad is another name Prophet Muhammad received.
    This passage in the Quran might be making reference to the same even some passages in john make reference to. In John we find constant reference to the coming of the “parakletos”, which is a Greek translation of he word Jesus used probably in Aramaic or Hebrew. The Parakletos in turn has been translated into English in various forms: as the conforter, the defender…etc.

    Now, me being a professional translator, I know that the more you translate a text into various languages the more distant from its original meaning it becomes.That is to say that, the The fact that the English bible is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation (from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English) makes it not a very reliable text.

    The last thing we muslims desire is that your people lose your faith, our intention is that you think twice before taking some beliefs for granted, that you do your research and dispose of the parts that you need to dispose of, and reaffirm the parts that need to be strengthened.
    Islam is nothing but a confirmation of the TRUE message of Jesus the Messiah (PBUH). Islam is nothing but a natural extension of the message given to humanity through the first prophets, through Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and now Muhammad, who is not the founder of Islam (understood as the total surrender of our will before the will of Allah) but only the last prophet and messenger of this great universal message.

    Take care,

    Peace

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    ro

    March 25, 2011 at 4:36 am

    I have no idea WHY you spent so much time trying to “expose” and sabotage Christianity, and why you just won’t live your life? Does it say in the Quran to love each other or what?

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  zahra

  March 27, 2011 at 9:16 pm

  yes my brother ro…quran says to love all humanity …and because of this love we have to take time to save others…and thats wt Abdullah is trying to do…i know Abdullah can give you a more convincing answer to ur question.

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  Hicham

  March 28, 2011 at 1:04 pm

  Ro, imagine a blind person was walking and going straight into a hole, would you call it love to just let him fall into it? Or would you rush towards him and do your best to make him avoid the fall?
  Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is called The mercy for mankind because he was sent to open their eyes and show them the one and only they need to worship, with no partners and no idols.
  That is what I call love for humankind.
  I do not need to sabotage Christianity, Christians already sabotaged the message of Jesus and reduced it to a helenistic blood sacrifice rite.
  If you call “live your life” love, I call it selfishness.

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  Abdullah

  March 30, 2011 at 6:26 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Ask them concerning the town standing close by the sea. Behold! they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. For on the day of their Sabbath their fish did come to them, openly holding up their heads, but on the day they had no Sabbath, they came not: thus did We make a trial of them, for they were given to transgression.

  When some of them said: “Why do ye preach to a people whom Allah will destroy or visit with a terrible punishment?”- said the preachers: “To discharge our duty to your Lord, and perchance they may fear Him.”

  When they disregarded the warnings that had been given them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression.

  Quran 7:163-165

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    Forgiven

    March 30, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Instead of constantly being violent and condescending towards other religions, why not focus on yours and leave others alone.

    How can anyone be against Jesus Christ? A symbol of pure love. Jesus Christ is God, God is the Holy Ghost, they are all three one.

    No man shall come to the Father, but through Jesus Christ.

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    Hicham

    March 30, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Peace be upon those who follow guidance,

    @ Forgiven: You have raised a number of issues in your post.

    First: you make a hint to violence… show me an instance of violence in this LONG thread of comments or within the post itself please? if anything, the muslims have been trying to clarify their point with good manners and wisdom and some Christians may God guide them have been somewhat rude, but that’s understandable.

    Second: of course we focus on our own religion before focusing on any other. We try to learn it in the best of our ability and to practice what we learn. We try to improve and help others improve as human beings. But that does not mean that we should keep quiet, we do criticize wrong belief and practices when we see them, be it from muslims or non muslims. And for us, Christianity is based on twisted beliefs, beliefs that have little or nothing to do with the pure teachings of Jesus the Messiah peace be upon him.

    Third: you declare Jesus to be God, please provide us with a clear, unequivocal and unambiguous statement from Jesus’ mouth where he declares that he is God? if anything, I find OTHERS saying he was God, never Jesus himself. Jesus always refered to himself as the son of man, he always said the father is greater than himself, that the father’s will is greater than his, that the father’s power is greater than his, he seems to have prayed to himself.
    The typical verses Christian apologetics provide to prove Jesus’ so called divinity are clearly ambiguous and some of them are known to have been FORGERIES.
    And I can give you examples by the dozens if your would like to.

    Fourth: You say Jesus PBUH is a symbol or pure love and I agree, so are all prophets and messengers of God. However, Muhammad was a pure symbol of love too. Many Christias complain and say, “oh but Muhammad was a warrior”….and so was Moses, and Joshua and many others before and after them.
    We need to understand that Prophets start their ministeries peacefully for a number of years, and later they take it a step further if their people refuse to follow the truth.
    Moses did so (He started peacefully in Egypt, but later him and Joshua led a number of military attacks, and if your familiar with the song “Joshua fit the battle of Jericho” then you know what I mean). Prophet Muhammad’s mission started peacefully too, and continued that way for 13 long years, until he and his followers were driven out of Makkah after many attempts of assasinations that were aimed at him. From Madinah, he founded the basics of the islamic state, and he was attacked from various coallitions of arab pagan tribes and he fought back, as he was entitled to do. But hold on a second, Jesus’ ministery lasted 3 years only (until it was momentarily interrupted), in 3 years you cannot expect Jesus to fight against the mighty Roman Empire. However there are clear indications that he was preparing for that moment. Jesus said:

    Matthew 10:34. “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.

    35 “For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;

    36 “and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

    And if for argument’s sake you still say that this passage might be figurative, not meant literally…etc.

    Then what about this one?

    “And he said unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a wallet; and he that hath none, let him sell his cloak, and buy a sword.” Luke 22:36

    I would say that Jesus’ encitement of his followers to buy weapons is a sign of peace… however, I do NOT hold it against him at all. It is his right, and that of his followers (the genuine ones that is) to defend themselves.

    Sixth: your question about how can we be against Jesus suggests that you seriously need to do some deep reading about Islam and the status of Jesus PBUH in islam.

    Seventh: The trinity part does not even deserve a commetn, it is a doctrine ALIEN to Jesus, it found its way into Christianity only after the Roman Emperor Augustus converted to Christianity on his dying bed, and after the Council of Nicea founded Christianity somewhat as we know it in 325 AD. DCeclaring the 4 gospels as cannonical and the rest of gospels (some of which happen to be more reliable that the 4 cannonical ones) as apocrypha.

    Eighth:”No man shall come to the Father, but through Jesus Christ.” is a very true one, except it is relative in time. It was true for the early followers of Jesus just as it was true that no man could reach God except through Moses in Moses’ time.

    Each nation cannot reach god except through its mesenger. Except that all prophets were regional prophets (jesus for instance says he was sent to the lost sheep of israel) and Muhammad is the final Messenger and therefore his message is UNIVERSAL.

    As you can see, I cannot provide all the facts here in a comment, I am simply taking the time to pinpoint some of them for you to do your own homework. And why do I take time for this? I guess it is out of LOVE towards all fellow human beings! I believe they deserve to find the one and only who deserves worship, the one who is not a man and does not resemble any of his creations. and to acknoledge his final messenger, and by acknoledging him, they ackonedge the genuity of Jesus the Messiah’s PBUH message too. Since they reciprocally testify for each other.

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    jeff

    April 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    ISIAIh 41 BRING forth your IDOLS did they PREACH to you see they can’t speak they can’t DO ANYTHING all they do is cause confusion. Jeremiah 10 they nail their IDOL down like a scarecrow it can’t move can’t speak can’t move must be carried these are nothing but the WORK of CON men. spalms 115 and spalms 135 thier IDOLS are FALSE cant speak can’t hear cant smell and those that make them shall become like them. john 10 jesus christ sais his sheep hear his voice and another voice thy will not follow and if another person tries to preach to them they WILL FLEE from him. jeremiah 5 the priests bear rule on their own authority what will you do when your judged my word is not inside them. Now here is the kicker john 5 son of man voice goes back in time mathew 16 jesus christ claims to be the son of man. 1 cor2 mind of CHRIST preached internally and john 16 sais the spirit of truth comes in the future. Ezekiel 13 lying prophets of ISRAEL my word is not inside them saying god sais god sais god sais wrote hoping mankind would CONFIRM their WORDS. all of this is EASILY verifiable

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  Abdullah

  April 4, 2011 at 1:57 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Jeff and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Unfortunately, I have no idea what your on about. Between the misspellings and poor formatting, your message has been lost. I can’t even tell if you agree or disagree with me.

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    A Christian

    April 10, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    5 Reasons Why Islam is False
    In no particular order:

    1. According to Muslims, the Koran is considered the inerrant, holy scripture that comes directly as a revelation from Allah. However, there have been many examples of factual errors and inconsistencies throughout the book. Thus, either the Koran did not really come from Allah, since Allah cannot be in error or think inconsistently. Or Allah produced the Koran but he is not perfect. Either way, a major tenet of the Islamic faith is disproved; it is a false religion.

    2. The Islamic scriptures teach that Jesus never actually died on the cross. He is alleged to have departed from the cross before fully expiring. This is simply historically inaccurate, however, as essentially no New Testament historian (even the most radically anti-Christian) believes Jesus survived crucifixion.

    3. Muslims hold that God can have no Son and no equal, as Christians allege in their doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God). But there exists ample evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was in fact the Son of God, just as He taught. Moreover, Jesus testified to the reality and the divinity of the Holy Spirit.

    4. The Islamic deity commands unjust and unholy wars. He is thus not morally perfect and is unworthy of worship. But any deity that is unfit for worship cannot be the greatest conceivable being, i.e., God.

    5. There are good reasons to believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. Evidences include fulfilled prophecies, the remarkable coherence of the text despite its myriad authors and stories and time frames. The Bible’s accuracy has been substantiated greatly by modern archaelogy and classical historical studies. The Bible contains no proven factual errors or contradictions (unlike the Koran) and is attested to as God’s Word by Jesus Christ,whom we have good reason to believe was divine Himself. Since the Bible is God’s Word and it contradicts the Koran, we can be sure that the Koran is not divinely inspired. Islam is inaccurate in this regard and thus demonstrably false.

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  Abdullah

  April 12, 2011 at 9:45 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I’m happily surprised that, after more than seventy comments, this is how you chose to respond to my post. I wonder how you are able to disregard the entire discussion up to this point?

  If a criticism is faulty, it does not disprove the criticized. Nor is the defended saved from reproach, with an unsound defense.

  You said, “According to Muslims, the Koran is considered the inerrant, holy scripture that comes directly as a revelation from Allah. However, there have been many examples of factual errors and inconsistencies throughout the book. Thus, either the Koran did not really come from Allah, since Allah cannot be in error or think inconsistently. Or Allah produced the Koran but he is not perfect. Either way, a major tenet of the Islamic faith is disproved; it is a false religion.”

  I like your number 1. It is the best chance you have at proving the Quran false and by extension Islam. Allah, in His Quran, invites everyone who doubts the Quran to examine it carefully and to see if there really are mistakes or discrepancies.

  Allah says in His Quran (4:82),

  Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

  I took up that challenge. I spent too much of my life on anti-Islamic websites investigating these supposed errors. Unfortunately for the anti-Islam crowd, the errors were in their understanding. In fact, the majority took so little time to disprove that I now distrust their motives.

  You said, “2. The Islamic scriptures teach that Jesus never actually died on the cross. He is alleged to have departed from the cross before fully expiring. This is simply historically inaccurate, however, as essentially no New Testament historian (even the most radically anti-Christian) believes Jesus survived crucifixion.”

  If you are going to write about Islam to a Muslim or Hinduism to a Hindu or Judaism to a Jew, then you should strive for the utmost accuracy. The Quran does not say or imply that Jesus was on the cross and just before he died Allah took him up to heaven.

  Allah says in His Quran (4:157),

  That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-

  This is an example of how a faulty criticism does not disprove the criticized.

  Your argument is that no New Testament scholar (though you weren’t brave enough to say all but instead opted for ‘essentially’) disagrees with the crucifixion, therefore, it must be true.

  There was a time in this world’s history when the majority of mankind believed the world to be flat. You would have been scoffed at for suggesting the Earth to have a spherical shape. Now, the those ancient believers in a flat Earth have been disproved.

  Even if everyone in the world believed the sun rises from the West and sets in the East, it wouldn’t make it true.

  In short, just because a view is popular does not make it historically or scientifically accurate. Likewise, an unpopular view is not proved wrong by its lack of popularity.

  Also it is not true that a belief in a crucified Christ was a universal belief amongst early Christians. Rather, it was a belief that was forced through at the councils.

  Now go back to the Quran. Allah makes it appear to the unbelievers that Jesus was killed by the Jews. However, the believers knew that in reality Jesus was not killed or crucified. The people who believed that Jesus was killed were following the blinded unbelievers who tried to kill him. There wasn’t actually any proof, no body, no DNA. They believed based on the statement of the Jews, “We killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary”.

  Those New Testament scholars are not following certain proof but in fact following the conjecture of the Canonical Gospel writers. The Canonical Gospel writers in turn were following the conjecture of the Jews when they claimed to have killed Jesus.

  You said, “3. Muslims hold that God can have no Son and no equal, as Christians allege in their doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God). But there exists ample evidence that Jesus of Nazareth was in fact the Son of God, just as He taught. Moreover, Jesus testified to the reality and the divinity of the Holy Spirit.”

  These are those times that I start thinking the Christians don’t really respect Jesus. It appears that you are in such a hurry to declare Jesus’ divinity that you don’t have time to read what the Bible claims Jesus said.

  In John 14:28 we read,

  “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”

  Your whole theory about the equality of God and Jesus is refuted by the Biblical Jesus himself! Jesus is lower than God. Moreover, there are many examples of his lowness in the Bible.

  Allah says in His Quran (5:73),

  They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

  You said, “4. The Islamic deity commands unjust and unholy wars. He is thus not morally perfect and is unworthy of worship. But any deity that is unfit for worship cannot be the greatest conceivable being, i.e., God.”

  You would be wise to take the Biblical Jesus’ advise, when he said, “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” (Matthew 7).

  According to the Biblical Jesus you are a hypocrite, blinded by the beam in your eye.

  The beam in your eye: What the Quran-bashers Don’t Want You to Know About the Bible.

  You said, “5. There are good reasons to believe that the Bible is divinely inspired. Evidences include fulfilled prophecies, the remarkable coherence of the text despite its myriad authors and stories and time frames. The Bible’s accuracy has been substantiated greatly by modern archaelogy and classical historical studies. The Bible contains no proven factual errors or contradictions (unlike the Koran) and is attested to as God’s Word by Jesus Christ,whom we have good reason to believe was divine Himself. Since the Bible is God’s Word and it contradicts the Koran, we can be sure that the Koran is not divinely inspired. Islam is inaccurate in this regard and thus demonstrably false.”

  I would say there are no good reasons to believe the Bible is divinely inspired. Evidences include failed prophecies (example: Matthew 1:23), factual errors (example: Genesis 1:16), contradictions (example: Matthew 27:5 v. Acts 1:18) and incoherence in the text (example: Matthew 5:19 v. the writings of Saul (Paul)).

  I wonder how Jesus attested to a book that wasn’t written or compiled for hundreds of years after he left this Earth.

  Since the Bible is not God’s Word, according to your own criteria, it makes no difference if it contradicts the Quran or not.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I know you said these ideas came from a book you’ve read and thus not really your own. However, I hope in the future you will attempt to verify and scrutinize the claims of others especially if those claims agree with your own position. Otherwise, you may damage your position in the eyes of others even if your position is sound.

  I cannot have any respect for a Christian scholar that pretends the Bible is fault-free because it has been long established otherwise. In fact, the science of textual criticism emerged because of obvious textual defects in the Bible. Nor can I have respect for a Christian scholar who blames a book like the Quran for being violent, while their book is full of God sanctioned violence that should make the hearts of the innocent drop and their eyes swell with tears.

  I enjoyed reading your comment and I enjoyed responding to it. I hope that you have also enjoyed my response.

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    Elmi

    April 22, 2011 at 7:11 am

    mashallah i love the research that you have done brother and may allah reward you

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    Christian

    April 24, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    The Bible says that few things must take place before the Second coming of Jesus Christ.

    1) The coming of a man the Bible calls as ‘Man of Sin’

    This is the Pope

    2) The coming of a man or a system or a religion which is called the AntiChrist

    This happened when ‘Prophet Muhammad’ founded Islam.

    Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (1 John 2:22-23)

    You don’t see Christians using this argument publicly because they fear Muslim extremists.

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  Abdullah

  May 13, 2011 at 9:24 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Some time ago, while giving dawah (inviting people to Islam) in my local town centre, with a few very dear brothers of mine, a man that I judged to be in his mid-seventies setup his stall just opposite of us.

  He represented an obscure Christian sect and he was calling people towards his faith, with the help of a megaphone.

  Soon after his arrival, it became apparent that his proximity to us was not happenstance. Despite his frail frame, he turned towards us, raised the megaphone to his mouth and began uttering shameful obscenities at the expense of the most beloved messenger of Allah, salallahu alayhi wa sallam. The crux of his repulsive speech was that our noble, sinless prophet, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, was the anti-Christ.

  Not one of my companions, nor did any of the many Muslims walking by, did so much as rebuke the man. In fact, rather than become angry there seemed to be a feeling of pity for him, within our group. I certainly pitied him.

  He deserved pity because his hatred and ignorance about Islam and its honoured messenger, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, had led him astray regarding the religion of Allah and the best of creation, salallahu alayhi wa sallam.

  Allah says in His Quran,

  The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: Deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom. (2:171)

  Likewise, you deserve some of our pity. Because of your hatred and ignorance, you have failed to recognize your comforter, salallahu alayhi wa sallam.

  You said, “The Bible says that few things must take place before the Second coming of Jesus Christ”.

  You should be also waiting for “that prophet”, like unto Moses, raised “from among their brethren”, who will speak in God’s name and complete the job Jesus was unable to finish.

  When that prophet comes, will you reject him like the Jews rejected Jesus out of ignorance, arrogance and hatred?

  You said, “This happened when ‘Prophet Muhammad’ founded Islam.” and “You don’t see Christians using this argument publicly because they fear Muslim extremists.“.

  You don’t see knowledgeable Christians using that argument, because it weakness is evident to all.

  Islam is the only non-Christian religion that makes it an article of faith to believe and love Jesus, alayhi salaam. No Muslim is a Muslim if they do not believe that Jesus is the Christ.

  We Muslims are made to believe on the authority of Muhammed, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, alone that Jesus is the Christ, that he was one of the mightiest messengers of Allah, that he cured the blind and the leper and brought the dead back to life by Allah’s permission.

  Allah says in His Quran,

  Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah; (3:45)

  To anyone who reads the Quran, the suggestion that our prophet, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, was in any way opposed to Jesus, the son of Mary, is an absurdity.

  In fact, there is actually only one religion today that could be accurately described as anti-Christ and that is Judaism.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I pray that you are able to let go of your irrationality and hatred. I pray that you are able to lift the blinders from your eyes, so that you may see.

  Allah says in His Quran,

  Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (5:75)

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    Blessed

    May 2, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Salaam.

    JazakAllah brother for the informative posts. I will be bookmarking

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    Bryan

    May 12, 2011 at 5:06 am

    “Christianity is NOT a religion. Religion is about what you do for God. Christianity is about Jesus and what He does for us. Religion always leads to pride or despair. You try hard and if you do good then you are arrogant and not humble like Jesus. If you fail to live up to the expectations then you are grieved and sad because you aren’t good enough for God. Jesus alone gives us joy and humility. Humility knowing that we cannot save ourselves and joy knowing that when He said “It is finished” that it was. This is why we love Jesus so much, there is no one like Jesus.”
    -Mark Driscoll

    Please consider for a moment what religion is. Is it not having to do the right action, say the right thing, go to the right place, and live in a certain way so that God will love you and accept you?

    Now read the above quote again and check out this website: [link removed]

    This website will give a description of what people who say they love Jesus and follow Jesus really believe because as Christians we believe it is all about the grace that God has given us and how we are reconciled back to God by simply putting our trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    Also Abdullah please see this blog by a guy named Dustin who loves Jesus and loves Muslim people and seeks to have a meaningful dialogue with Muslims about life and the faith of Christians and Muslims:

    [link removed]

    “And you will know the truth and the truth shall set you free” John 8:32 ESV

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  Abdullah

  May 13, 2011 at 10:24 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Bryan and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I removed the links from your comment because it is not my habit to allow them. However, I did look them over with your comment in mind.

  You said, “Please consider for a moment what religion is. Is it not having to do the right action, say the right thing, go to the right place, and live in a certain way so that God will love you and accept you?“.

  No. Religions is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. (source)

  Perhaps you are thinking of dogma.

  You said, “This website will give a description of what people who say they love Jesus and follow Jesus really believe because as Christians we believe it is all about the grace that God has given us and how we are reconciled back to God by simply putting our trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ..

  Allah says in His Quran,

  And they say: “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” Those are their (vain) desires. Say: “Produce your proof if ye are truthful.” (2:111)

  Jesus did not die and was not resurrected and you cannot ever prove that he was because you are following nothing but conjecture.

  You said, “Also Abdullah please see this blog by a guy named Dustin who loves Jesus and loves Muslim people and seeks to have a meaningful dialogue with Muslims about life and the faith of Christians and Muslims:“.

  I cannot take people like Dustin seriously. In the first place, he states that he believes that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, despite that belief being in stark contrast with reality and common knowledge. Moreover, he uses words such as Zabur, which are common words amongst Muslims but not Christians, when discussing things like the Psalms of the Bible. Despite the fact that the Zabur of David, alayhi sallam, is not the Psalms of the Bible. Neither does the Injil of Jesus have anything to do with the New Testament.

  Allah says in His Quran,

  And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to David (the gift of) the Psalms. (17:55)

  If you know your Bible history then you would be aware that it was rewritten, it has suffered many alterations, the original does not exisit and not all the chapters within it are attributed to David, alayhi sallam. David, alayhi sallam, is free from such a book. Dustin is guilty of either a deliberate dishonesty or an accidental dishonesty. However, we know that, according to Christianity, even if it is deliberate his behavior is acceptable in Christianity. Though not acceptable to God.

  There is a sickness within the followers of Christianity. When challenged they simply fall back on the old falsehood, “Jesus died for my sins and he loves me”. The idea must be to repeat it so much that it becomes truth. But it will never be the truth, even if you convince yourself that it is.

  All praise and thanks belong to Allah alone, Who guided me away from darkness to light.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. Perhaps in future you will, at least, attempt to provide proof and evidence for your statements.

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    Ali Khan

    May 18, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Brother – I am confused by your point number 8 which talks of the errors in the Christian bible. The Qur’an says:

    Sura 6:115

    The words of thy Lord are perfect in truth and in justice;
    NONE can change His words:
    For He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.

    Sura 6:34

    There is none that can alter the words of Allah.
    Already hast thou received some account of those messengers.

    Sura 10:64

    There is no changing the words of God;
    that is the supreme triumph.

    Further in Sura 3:3 and others, the Qur’an confirms that Torah, Zabur and Injil are words of God.

    So if there is “error” in the [Torah/Gospel], you are saying that the Qur’an is WRONG

    The Qur’an states this at least three times to make sure you don’t overlook it.

    If you think the Bible is wrong BECAUSE of some contradictions, then think about the contradiction between
    the Qur’an and your confidence in this “proof”. In my opinion this is a serious logical problem for Islam.

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  Abdullah

  May 19, 2011 at 9:52 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Mustafa Reason and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  You said, “I am confused by your point number 8 which talks of the errors in the Christian bible“.

  My number 8 is not about errors in the Christian Bible. It is about the inconsistency in its message. For example, compare the method for salvation in 2 Chronicles 7:14, with the method found in New Testament writings.

  If you believed that God’s nature changes, inconsistency itself does not prove an error in the Bible. However, I do not believe that God’s nature changes, because that would imply that God was affected by time and events. As a result, the inconsistency in the Bible proves false the Christian doctrine.

  In your haste to prove the Quran has a contradiction, it appears that you have mixed up point 8 with point 2.

  Let’s be perfectly clear, the Bible is full of errors, contradictions, failed prophecies and unintelligible verses. Does that fact prove that the Quran has a contradiction in light of the verses that you have quoted?

  You have at least two mistakes in your understanding.

  1.

  Whenever the Quran speaks about the Torah, Gospel and Psalms it is talking about the revelation given to the prophets Moses, Jesus and David respectively, peace be upon them all. Those three revelations have nothing to do with the modern Bible.

  Moses, Jesus and David did not write nor dictate a single letter in the Bible. Therefore it is impossible for us to attribute these books to them.

  2.

  Your second mistake stems from the fact that you are not a reader of the Quran and you project your preconceived prejudices on the Quran.

  In all three of these verse “Word of Allah” does not mean revelation. Rather it means the decision or decree of Allah. The word “word” does not necessarily mean a unit of language. It can and does mean, a command, a decree, a decision, a promise.

  I encourage everyone, who does not wish to remain ignorant, to view the exegesis of these three verses: (6:34), (6:115), (10:64).

  In conclusion, these verses are not saying that previous revelations could not be changed or lost. Nor does the Quran suggest that the Bible that many have in their homes is the same revelation sent to the prophets, peace be upon them. Nor does the Quran promise that those previous revelations would survive into posterity.

  There is no logical problem for Islam and no contradiction but a poor understanding on your part.

  All praise and thanks belong to Allah alone, Who guides whom He wills to the straight path.

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    Thomas

    June 11, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Sir,

    I want to point out an idea that you are unaware of. We as men play three different roles at all times in life. No matter what the circumstance is we are always a “Leader”, a “Follower”, and a “Friend”. Can you give me an occasion where we as humans do not assume any of the three roles in life? In the a similar yet divinely higher fashion, God shows himself to be each a “Leader”, a “Follower”, and a “Friend”, or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So, the Koran states that it befitteth not for God to have a Son. Right? In essence, that is true, according to this physical world. But if you consider how things are in the Spiritual World,[the World where God exists out of our physical sight], then he could have and be a “Son” or “Follower” at the same time. We are such in this physical physical world, and God is such in the Spiritual Realm. So, if God is a “Follower” or a “Son”, who does He follow?? He follows Himself. Why does he do such a thing? He does so to show us how to be good followers of our own Leaders. God gave man dominion over the Earth and everything therein. Am I correct? One could compare the idea to a “Colony” with regards to a “Kingdom”. God placed man here to be “Governors” of the “Colony” of Earth. Consider how a colony is established. It is created and established based upon the regulations, culture, and traditions originating from the Kingdom. So, if it is true that we has humans can always show ourselves to be in three distinct roles in life on the “Colony” of Earth, then God {who is our ultimate example of how to live and exist} can show Himself to exhibit the same roles in the “Kingdom” of Heaven. The reason why Jesus used the term “Son of God” is to point out that He is equal to God. So, then we can fully comprehend what he meant by his words, instead of “Follower of God”. Christians believe that Jesus existed as the follower or Son role of God before the universe was created. He is the Creator. The reason why He came to the Earth was to take upon Himself the same punishment that He declared for us for our sins, Death. Let us undertand what death means. Death means “Separation from Life”. It isn’t so much that He died on the Cross… Let us look beyond that and see what He did in the Spiritual Realm. He died Spiritually. He went to Hell in our place, where we all humans deserve to go. No other being in this universe could ever stand the torment of Hell for even a brief second except for GOD. So, the “Follower” portion of the God-head, Left the “Leader” and “Friend” portion, and separated Himself from “Life” {God is Life, right?}. He did so because He loves us and desires us to be with him in Paradise. We don’t deserve it and there is no amount of prayer or “good things” we can do to earn our way out of Hell and into Heaven. If you loved your family, wouldn’t you take a bullet for them? Why can’t God do the same for us in the Spiritual Sense??

    One will never understand why Jesus said the words that he spoke, until that person considers one thing, “THE SPIRITUAL REALM” and how the Physical Realm reflects the things that have taken place in the Spiritual Realm. Here is an example…… GOD {in the Spiritual Realm} said “Let there be light.” and this action is exhibited to mankind as the Sun in the Sky and all of it’s rays and beams of light, even reflecting off the Moon. Consider Jesus’s words in the Bible by the Spirit.

    Another point that I want to make is that there is some doctrine that some Christians practice that is not accurate doctrine. It is easy for you to find fault and refute that, i.e. praying to a “saint” or “Mary”. We are to worship and pray to God and Him only.

    The last point that I want to make is that God values humility. There are times in life where we have to truly step back from our own rationalization, stained by our finite level of wisdom, and ask God to show us the truth. We can say that man wrote the “Holy Bible” and has been corrupted and the same can be said about the “Holy Qu’ran”. But the truth of the matter is that we were not there when the original documents were written. It doesn’t matter what history says……. We were not there. So what can we rely on? Just as sure as you had a dream {if you had one} while sleeping last night, God will reveal His nature, His characteristics, His perfection, and the extent of His Forgiveness to your own spirit. No one can accurately say that you either did or did not have a dream while sleeping in your bed, but you know for yourself. All we have left is to be truthful with our own selves, take the truth as the truth when it is revealed to us, and ask God directly “God, please lead me and show me the truth about who you are and what you have in store for me.” He will do it, because He Loves you and He Loves all of us.

    I look forward to hearing a response from you

    Sincerely with Agape,
    Thomas Jones

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  Abdullah

  June 25, 2011 at 12:57 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Thank you for taking the time to comment. I have enjoyed reading it. Though if I could make one recommendation, try to break up your text into smaller chucks. If you do that it will make it easy for anyone coming across your comment to comprehend your points.

  I want to point out an idea that you are unaware of. We as men play three different roles at all times in life. No matter what the circumstance is we are always a “Leader”, a “Follower”, and a “Friend”. Can you give me an occasion where we as humans do not assume any of the three roles in life?

  I don’t think that it is true that we are always a leader, follower or friend. There may be exceptional circumstances, where your theory is proved wrong. I don’t really want to give you an occasion when we may not be, because it will divert us from any useful discussion. Therefore, for the sake of argument, I will agree that we humans are always leaders, followers, and friends.

  In the a similar yet divinely higher fashion, God shows himself to be each a “Leader”, a “Follower”, and a “Friend”, or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

  Why limit it to three and why to those three and how do they relate to the gods of the Trinity? As humans we, at all times, assume a multitude of varying roles not just those three. Some of them can even be permanent in the same way as leader, follower and friend, such as student or teacher.

  Which makes your analogy better suited for a religion like Hinduism, where their vast number of gods might more truly represent the disparate roles of human life.

  Thinking more deeply, there is another more significant problem with your analogy. When a human assumes their role of leader, they are in no way different than when they assume their role as a follower. A son does not stop being a son, when he becomes a father.

  Thus your analogy is more fitting to the Islamic concept of monotheism, specifically the branch called in Arabic tawheed asma wa sifat (Oneness in God’s names and attributes). God has many names and attributes but these do not signify separate gods.

  God says in His Quran (4:171):
  O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

  So, the Koran states that it befitteth not for God to have a Son. Right? In essence, that is true, according to this physical world. But if you consider how things are in the Spiritual World,[the World where God exists out of our physical sight], then he could have and be a “Son” or “Follower” at the same time.

  Allah says in His Quran (112:1-4),
  Say (O Muhammad): “He is Allah, (the) One. “Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). “He begets not, nor was He begotten; “And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.”

  And (72:3),
  ‘And exalted be the Majesty of our Lord, He has taken neither a wife, nor a son (or offspring or children).

  And (2:116),
  And they (Jews, Christians and pagans) say: Allah has begotten a son (children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship) to Him.

  And (5:17),
  Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary) . Say (O Muhammad): “Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?” And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And Allah is Able to do all things.

  And (5:52),
  They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ: “O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

  And many more ayat.

  So, if God is a “Follower” or a “Son”, who does He follow?? He follows Himself. Why does he do such a thing? He does so to show us how to be good followers of our own Leaders. God gave man dominion over the Earth and everything therein. Am I correct?

  The problem with building an argument on a faulty premise is that with each step the argument moves further and further away from truth.

  Have you ever thought about why God has always sent men as prophets and messengers, as opposed to angels?

  Angels, by their nature, must unerringly follow every Divine dictate. Thus they would be perfect in doing exactly what you claim God needed to do. They would be the perfect example to men and God would not have to suffer a lowering of status to be an example to us.

  Yet, God never sent an angel prophet to be an example to men. The reasons for not sending angels should be fairly obvious, given a little thought. Men cannot expect to be obedient to God in the manner that the angels are obedient to him. If God did send an angel, mankind could rightly complain that we have no way to follow their example.

  The other, less obvious, reason angels have not been sent to us as examples is the inevitable confusion and doubt it would cause to those already suffering from confusion and doubt.

  Those reasons for not sending angels as examples to mankind are exacerbated if we say God came down to be the example to men. It is one of the mercies of God that he does not impose upon us something that is beyond our capacity to fulfil. Good men are sent to mankind to be examples to mankind. All praise and thanks belongs to Allah alone.

  Moreover, the reason God sends us guidance is not to show us how to be followers of leaders but to show us how to be followers of God.

  One could compare the idea to a “Colony” with regards to a “Kingdom”. God placed man here to be “Governors” of the “Colony” of Earth. Consider how a colony is established. It is created and established based upon the regulations, culture, and traditions originating from the Kingdom. So, if it is true that we has humans can always show ourselves to be in three distinct roles in life on the “Colony” of Earth, then God {who is our ultimate example of how to live and exist} can show Himself to exhibit the same roles in the “Kingdom” of Heaven.

  God is not the example. God is the Goal. The prophets of God are the examples, may God be pleased with them all.

  The reason why Jesus used the term “Son of God” is to point out that He is equal to God.

  A son is not equal to his father. In any case, I am forced to disagree with you because the Biblical Jesus disagrees with you.

  In John 14:28 we read,
  “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”

  In fact, even a casual reading of the Bible will demonstrate that Jesus was inferior to God in every possible conceivable way.

  So, then we can fully comprehend what he meant by his words, instead of “Follower of God”. Christians believe that Jesus existed as the follower or Son role of God before the universe was created. He is the Creator. The reason why He came to the Earth was to take upon Himself the same punishment that He declared for us for our sins, Death.

  God has to punish Himself to save men from the punishment, He created, for the weakness, He created, of men? If God didn’t want us to be punished with death for sin, why create that punishment in the first place, or why not give us a way out that does not involve such a profoundly absurd circumstance and humiliation for God Himself?

  Actually God did give mankind a way out that does not involve Him punishing Himself.

  In 2 Chronicles 7:14 we read,
  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

  Clearly, God does not need to punish Himself to save mankind from their sins.

  Let us undertand what death means. Death means “Separation from Life”. It isn’t so much that He died on the Cross… Let us look beyond that and see what He did in the Spiritual Realm. He died Spiritually. He went to Hell in our place, where we all humans deserve to go. No other being in this universe could ever stand the torment of Hell for even a brief second except for GOD.

  God died spiritually? God went to Hell? God was nailed onto a piece of wood? The Almighty Lord of all was completely subdued first by men, who managed to kill Him physically and then subdued by Satan and was killed spiritually. Moreover, there was a moment in history when the correct answer to the question “where is God?” was Hell?

  I swear by God, you Christians have nothing good to offer us Muslims.

  So, the “Follower” portion of the God-head, Left the “Leader” and “Friend” portion, and separated Himself from “Life” {God is Life, right?}.

  You have now entered the dirty waters of polytheism. God is One, externally and internally.

  He did so because He loves us and desires us to be with him in Paradise.

  If God desires something it happens. He doesn’t have to punish Himself to get it.

  We don’t deserve it and there is no amount of prayer or “good things” we can do to earn our way out of Hell and into Heaven. If you loved your family, wouldn’t you take a bullet for them?

  Again I am forced to disagree with you because God in the Bible disagrees with you.

  In 2 Chronicles 7:14 we read,
  If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

  God in the Bible has most certainly given us a way to earn His forgiveness.

  Why can’t God do the same for us in the Spiritual Sense??

  Why take the bullet when you can prevent it from being fired from the gun in the first place?

  One will never understand why Jesus said the words that he spoke, until that person considers one thing, “THE SPIRITUAL REALM” and how the Physical Realm reflects the things that have taken place in the Spiritual Realm. Here is an example…… GOD {in the Spiritual Realm} said “Let there be light.” and this action is exhibited to mankind as the Sun in the Sky and all of it’s rays and beams of light, even reflecting off the Moon. Consider Jesus’s words in the Bible by the Spirit.

  Jesus’ words should make sense in terms of the physical and spiritual worlds. They must be true in every sense.

  It is funny that you mention the reflected light of the moon, because as we know the moon according to the Bible has its own light.

  Another point that I want to make is that there is some doctrine that some Christians practice that is not accurate doctrine. It is easy for you to find fault and refute that, i.e. praying to a “saint” or “Mary”. We are to worship and pray to God and Him only.

  Every Christian says that about opposing sects. Frankly, it is easy to find fault and refute every religion that is based on the Bible. The Bible is the weak link and not some obscure faith practice of any particular sect.

  The last point that I want to make is that God values humility.

  I agree.

  There are times in life where we have to truly step back from our own rationalization, stained by our finite level of wisdom, and ask God to show us the truth.

  I agree.

  We can say that man wrote the “Holy Bible” and has been corrupted

  I agree.

  and the same can be said about the “Holy Qu’ran”.

  Prove it.

  But the truth of the matter is that we were not there when the original documents were written. It doesn’t matter what history says……. We were not there. So what can we rely on?

  We can study, examine and test them for internal and external truth. We verify the verifiable and we check for consistency and internal coherence of the unverifiable.

  Just as sure as you had a dream {if you had one} while sleeping last night, God will reveal His nature, His characteristics, His perfection, and the extent of His Forgiveness to your own spirit. No one can accurately say that you either did or did not have a dream while sleeping in your bed, but you know for yourself. All we have left is to be truthful with our own selves, take the truth as the truth when it is revealed to us, and ask God directly “God, please lead me and show me the truth about who you are and what you have in store for me.” He will do it, because He Loves you and He Loves all of us.

  When I was a teenager in High school, I would spend every lunch break sitting alone in the school library asking God for His guidance. Every day, I felt less inclined towards Christianity and more inclined towards Islam. The day I decided to leave Christianity, I experienced a wonderful feeling throughout my whole body. I was sure, even with my little understanding of Islam, that I had made a decision that pleased God.

  Over the last eleven years, my confidence in that decision has grown both spiritually and intellectually. I will, InshaAllah, remain faithful to myself by following the guidance, which I asked for.

  I look forward to hearing a response from you

  I hope that you have enjoyed my response and I hope it was worth the wait. I pray that Almighty God guides you to His truth, Al-Islam.

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    Thomas

    June 11, 2011 at 9:13 am

    We are always “Leaders”, “Followers”, and “Friends”… it doesn’t mean that we are always “Good Leaders”, “Good Followers”, and “Good Friends”. Sometimes, we are bad….. But God is Always Good.

    Agape,
    Thomas Jones

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  Abdullah

  July 4, 2011 at 9:03 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  If God is always good, then the command of God must equally be good. Do you not agree?

  This is another point that we could add to the above list, the Bible cannot be the word of God because it contains commands to commit genocide, rape and murder. Innocents are killed and noble men are humiliated.

  If God is good, the Bible is not His Word.

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    Thomas Jones

    June 14, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Sir,

    Recently I made two posts to your website and today I found my posts removed / missing or deleted. Out of curiosity, did I make any statements that you could not find a rebuttal to??? If that is the case, it seems to be uncanny that you couldn’t respond to my statements. Please, feel free to send me an email or respond to my previous staement on your own page. In the Bible, Jesus always had an answer to questions sent His way. Are you lost without words??? Come now and let us reason together. My only intention is that all men (men and women) should find their place in Paradise with GOD, after this life is done and over. The truth will speak for itself. I intreat you not to run away from or DELETE any posts that I make, especially if I have been respectful with my language. If you can say that you love people and you want them to know the truth, then reply to my posts. If you have no rebuttals, then say so.

    I am eagerly awaiting your response.

    Thomas Jones II

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  Abdullah

  June 14, 2011 at 6:35 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Thomas and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Since you are unlikely to be aware of how I run my blog I have written a post for you and every other impatient commenter.

  You’ll just have to wait.

  A rebuttal will be coming your way, InshaAllah. Just keep checking back for it. The reply could come anywhere between now and next month.

  In fact, I, suddenly, feel inclined to make you wait because judging from your demeanour your interested in an argument and not the truth.

  I can give you a clue to what my response to your comment will be. Your analogies are very poor. You provide no proof. Your final point is completely against you.

  I hope you are looking forward to reading it as much as I’m looking forward to writing it.

  All Praise and Thanks belong to Allah Alone.

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    Jason Johnson

    June 17, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    The main reason why you cannot even fathom the idea of true Chrisitanity is:

    No.1. You have been conditioned from birth to accept what someone has told you to be the truth. Before you were able to consider what was true and what was a lie, you were told. Instead of you humbly seeking the truth for yourself, you decide to attack Christianity with your words. You haven’t provided any proof of your own allegations. Instead, you did exactly what Satan did to Jesus when he was being tempted. You took the Scriptures and you twisted them to fit your own twisted ideas. You will never understand the meaning of Jesus’s words until you consider these words of His “My words are Spirit and they are life”. Jesus spoke in parables so that men might be able to fathom the Spiritual realm. Jesus was not the Son of God in a physical sense, But if you take a minute and consider the Spiritual world, You may be able to better understand how God can be a Spiritual Son and a Heavenly Father and a Holy Spirit at the same time. Are you a physical Father, physical Son, and a companion or friend to all in a physical sense? you are 3 persons in one body. Cannot God be the same Spiritually? It wouldn’t be against His nature being that God can do anything he wants, except lie.

    No.2. The truth is that God cannot reveal himself (or exhibit his spiritual characteristics) to anyone who is haughty and full of pride[not to be mistaken with the same kind of pride one has in his children or country]. The kind of pride that says “no one can tell me anything because I know more than he does. The kind of pride that actually stumps the ability to gain understanding and increase in knowledge. I am not telling you to change your religion, but don’t say that you understand Christianity enough to fight against it, when you haven’t even begun to immerse yourself with understanding it. You are not humble.

    No. 3. Even though I have indirectly challenged you to strip yourself of a haughty attitude, you won’t do it. You will not admit that you are a sinner who cannot cleanse himself from any unrighteousnees. Islam teaches that a person can counter-balance his wrongdoings with doing good, praying 5 times a day, saying he is sorry for his misbehavior, and going to the Hajj. So, in essence, you can purchase your place in Heaven, by your actions. You are too proud to admit that your idea of righteousness is as filthy rags in God’s eyes. You cannot purchase your own salvation because everything that you do or say will always be imperfect in comparison to the True Perfection of GOD. You will never be able to meet his standards of purety, Ever. So, what do we do then? How could we ever meet his standards? Food for thought.

    No.4. The Islamic idea of God’s forgiveness, makes God to be imperfect. I ,for one, ABSOLUTELY refuse to accept that God is less than perfect. If God said that punishment follows wrongdoing, then exactly what He says is what happens. There is no changing that. Parents may promise their children some form of punishment for their wrongdoing, but then decide not to follow through with that punishment. But guess what, parents are HUMAN, prone to inconsistencies, mistakes, imperfection. God, on the other hand, is not subject to any of those. He said it and it shall come to pass. If you cannot understand His perfection, you will continue to dilute the idea of His perfection.
    No. 5. You are so blind to see that Jesus wasn’t so much talking about laying down his physical life, He laid down His SPIRITUAL life. In other words, He separated himself from God who is “Life”. He died physically in order to die Spiritually. What is the definition of Spiritual death? …The answer is Spiritual Separation from Life. Who is Spritual Life? …The Anser is GOD himself. How is this true? consider the sinful incident in the Garden of Eden. God told Adam if he ate from a certain tree, Adam would die. When Adam ate from it, did he die? Yes, He died Spiritually. God will not accept sin in His presence. If he did, he wouldn’t be a Perfect being. So, Adam was kicked out of the Presence of God and Adams Spirit could no longer be in communion with God. His physical Body continued to Exist and live, for a while until it died.

    No. 5. Think logically for a minute… Would you want to be a part of any organization which threatened your physical life or the life of your family unless you joined? I would rather be a part of a group who respected my decisons and my “manhood”. If my life is in God’s hands, why does he need anyone to come and kill me? If God wanted me dead, he could take my life by Himself. He doesn’t need anyone’s help. If He did, then he wouldn’t be Almighty.
    The Qur’an says that “Judgement Day will come only when the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind the tree and the stone, and the tree and the stone say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him’ – except for the Gharqad tree.” As these are the words of the Prophet, there’s no doubt in the minds of the learned gentlemen that this will indeed come to pass”.
    Jesus said that He came so that all men might be saved and have everlasting life. So, logically speaking, would you rather belong to an organization which will kill you and your family because of your difference of opinion, or would you rather belong to an orgainization which will guide you using love?
    I am sure you are going to choose the first one, because you refuse to think for yourself. Instead, you will allow a dead man to think for you.

    No.6. Were you there when the Qu’ran was written? Was anyone else besides Mohammad present when it was inked to paper? The answer is No. Were you living when the Bible was written? The answer is still No. But check this out, in any righteous court system in the world, the judge and jury will more readily accept 4 corroborating statements over a single statement without any support. Mohammad was a man, period. This already makes him imperfect, inconsistent, and prone to make mistakes and lie. The manuscript which came from him, no one else had a say in writing it but him. Now the first 4 books of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were 4 different accounts of the life of Jesus. Each one says that He died and rose again. Each one has corroborating information which supports one another. Logically and righteously speaking, those 4 books have more credibility than the Quran. Even still, neither you or I was alive when each was written, but one makes more sense…the New Testament. But I am sure that you are too proud to admit that.

    No. 7. Have you ever expirienced how life was in my specific high school? or neighborhood? No, you havent. You cannot fully know how life is in a certain area until you go to that place and immerse yourself in that life. You cannot rightfully say that Christianity is wrong until you’ve fully immersed yourself in it. Life is a constant quest for improvement and search for the truth. Instead, you are not searching for the truth. You only desire to take some Man’s word instead of knowing for yourself. Muslims are conditioned to never ask “why?”. If they do, a reply of “God says so” is given and “because God says so, we are not to ask why”. That is foolish.( but I am sure you will not admit that to be “foolish”). You see, Christians believe that God gives directives because He wants to protect us from things that will hurt us and will destroy society and the order of things both in this physical world and the spiritual world, NOT just because he “Said So”. How foolish and selfish would a king or ruler be to give a decree just becaue that is how he felt at any given time? It means that he doesn’t really care for those who he is supposed to be leading, but only that his voice is heard. I refuse to belive that God is Selfish and doesn’t care for me. Selfishness is not a trait of a “Perfect” person. But I know what you’re going to argue…. You’re going to say that I do not know God’s characteristics or attributes…. But the Quran claims to know God’s characteristics and attributes. And again, that document was only one person’s account, whereas the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, are 4 different accounts of the same time.

    No.8. You will continue to say that I have no proof, but you will not ask yourself where your own proof is. We can argue all day as to which is right and which is wrong… the Quran or the Bible and get nowhere. What is your proof that which some old scholar said? yeah, he is also just a man. What if I told you that God desires to speak to you from HIS SPIRIT to your SPIRIT? Though no one else could hear it, you know what you heard. In no way have I called Mohammad a liar. I only want to show that he claims to have recieved something from God where no one else can confirm or deny it. Matthew Mark Luke and John claim the same, but it was 4 guys.

    I’ll tell you what, I would rather go to a court where the judge was fair and considered the corroborating sworn statements of 4 men over the single statement of 1 guy.

    No. 9. My conversation has been a little provoking, but not for the sake of argueing. Only to get you to lay down your prideful weapons / spirit and seek GOD for yourself. True Christians are taught not to take anyone’s word but to seek God for ourselves. Research for ourselves to see if what a Preacher is saying is the truth and if it makes sense. You also should give it a try.

    No.10. Roman Catholicisim, Jehovah’s witness, Mormonism, Christian Science are all not accurate Chrisitanity. They each do things that the Bible says not to do. Jehova’s witnesses and Mormons might as well be Muslim. They also don’t believe that Jesus is the Son of God. DON’T TAKE THAT TO BE TRUE PHYSICALLY. IT IS SPIRITUAL!!!!!

    Provide some proof in your rebuttal… You will not be able to.
    Search for the truth, humbly realize that your level of knowledge is full of inconsistencies and imperfections. Tell God that you acknowlegdge that to be true and that you are truthfully looking for Him and is perfect truth. He will help you find it ( but you probably have too much pride to do that so who am I kidding.)

    Jason Johnson.

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  Abdullah

  July 8, 2011 at 10:13 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Your comment has been quite amusing, steeped in irony and far too long. I recommend that you try to be more concise. Otherwise you risk losing the reader in rambling.

  Based on this comment, I am going to place a limit on the amount people can write in their comments, InshaAllah.

  I am not going to reply to most of those parts of your comment which are attempts to revile me or that make assumptions about me that would require a close and intimate relationship to know. Really you should be ashamed of such behaviour.

  I am going to try to shift through it to get at the meat of your arguments. Based on my first casual read of your comment, I don’t expect there to be much.

  You haven’t provided any proof of your own allegations. Instead, you did exactly what Satan did to Jesus when he was being tempted. You took the Scriptures and you twisted them to fit your own twisted ideas.

  This has been a common accusation amongst some of the Christian commentators here. However, not one of you has provided proof or shown examples. It is easy to make accusations but it is more difficult to prove them.

  You will never understand the meaning of Jesus’s words until you consider these words of His “My words are Spirit and they are life”. Jesus spoke in parables so that men might be able to fathom the Spiritual realm.

  Prove that Jesus, alayhi salam, said those words.

  You cannot expect us Muslims to take the Bible’s word that Jesus said something or other, when it is full of errors, contradictions, mistruths and vulgarity.

  Jesus was not the Son of God in a physical sense, But if you take a minute and consider the Spiritual world, You may be able to better understand how God can be a Spiritual Son and a Heavenly Father and a Holy Spirit at the same time. Are you a physical Father, physical Son, and a companion or friend to all in a physical sense? you are 3 persons in one body. Cannot God be the same Spiritually?

  That is a very poor analogy because no person is their own father. I have a son and my son has a father but my son is not his own father. Besides, we humans have more than three qualities and it is disingenuous to limit them to three, so why limit God to three?

  God cannot be internally divided into two, three or more because that contravenes His Oneness and it creates an absurd situation where God becomes less than God.

  It wouldn’t be against His nature being that God can do anything he wants, except lie.

  God does not lie. God does not oppress. God is not unjust. God does not lower Himself. God cannot become man because that is against His nature.

  The truth is that God cannot reveal himself (or exhibit his spiritual characteristics) to anyone who is haughty and full of pride.

  I thought God’s only limit was the inability to lie? Suddenly, you’re placing a new restriction. In any case, I must disagree with you because God guides whom He wills and He is best place to know who deserves guidance. What right do you have, to prevent God guiding people to Himself?

  Islam teaches that a person can counter-balance his wrongdoings with doing good, praying 5 times a day, saying he is sorry for his misbehavior, and going to the Hajj. So, in essence, you can purchase your place in Heaven, by your actions.

  You have misunderstood Islam dramatically and have misrepresented it.

  The prophet Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, said,

  “The good deeds of any person will not make him enter Paradise.” (i.e., None can enter Paradise through his good deeds.) They (the Prophet’s companions) said, ‘Not even you, O Allah’s Apostle?’ He said, “Not even myself, unless Allah bestows His favor and mercy on me.” So be moderate in your religious deeds and do the deeds that are within your ability: and none of you should wish for death, for if he is a good doer, he may increase his good deeds, and if he is an evil doer, he may repent to Allah.”

  We do good deeds because that is what God demands from us. We do good deeds because of our love and devotion to our Lord. We obey God to express our gratitude for the blessings He has given us. We are moderate in our worship and good deeds because we know that we cannot equal the blessings we have received.

  If a person tries to pay his way into Heaven, he will find that he will be unable to afford it. We rely on the mercy, grace and promise of God to attain paradise.

  All praise and thanks belongs to Allah alone.

  The Islamic idea of God’s forgiveness, makes God to be imperfect. If God said that punishment follows wrongdoing, then exactly what He says is what happens. There is no changing that.

  Being a merciful God is not an imperfection! God can forgive whom He wills and He can punish whom He wills.

  Rather, it is an imperfection to say God is incapable of forgiving and he has die in order to have the capacity to forgive.

  In other words, He separated himself from God who is “Life”. He died physically in order to die Spiritually. What is the definition of Spiritual death? …The answer is Spiritual Separation from Life. Who is Spritual Life? …The Anser is GOD himself.

  God died spiritually and God became separate from God? Christianity is so desperate to prove that Jesus is divine that you don’t care who gets trampled on, even if it is God that is being trampled on. Christianity has nothing good to offer mankind.

  Would you want to be a part of any organization which threatened your physical life or the life of your family unless you joined?

  When I read these words of yours, I can’t help thinking of Christian history and its inquisitions and forced conversions. Christianity has a long and dark history of force converting people but Islam has NO history of doing that.

  In fact, God forbids such barbarous actions in His Glorious Quran (2:256),

  “Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.”

  Is there an equal verse in the Bible?

  Answering your question honestly and sincerely, I must choose Islam over Christianity.

  The Qur’an says that “Judgement Day will come only when the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind the tree and the stone, and the tree and the stone say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him’ – except for the Gharqad tree.” As these are the words of the Prophet, there’s no doubt in the minds of the learned gentlemen that this will indeed come to pass”.

  Unfortunately, you have once again misunderstood Islam and have misrepresented it.

  As far as I know, this is a Hadith and not the Quran. The story is a prophesy of events that will take place before the Final Day. The fighting is not taking place because they believe differently. Rather, it is taking place because the Jews will choose to fight on the side of the dajjal against the Muslims.

  Jesus said that He came so that all men might be saved and have everlasting life.

  According to the Bible (Matthew 10:34-35), Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

  And before you accuse me of something else, you should be aware that the Biblical Jesus put those words into real action when he commanded his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords. Not spiritual swords but flesh cutting real swords.

  So, logically speaking, would you rather belong to an organization which will kill you and your family because of your difference of opinion, or would you rather belong to an orgainization which will guide you using love?

  After a full understanding your question becomes meaningless, if your attempt is to disparage Islam.

  Were you there when the Qu’ran was written? Was anyone else besides Mohammad present when it was inked to paper? The answer is No.

  I wasn’t there but many thousands of people were. The fact that Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, was unable to write proves that others were there when ink met paper.

  But check this out, in any righteous court system in the world, the judge and jury will more readily accept 4 corroborating statements over a single statement without any support.

  A righteous court would believe in a known unerring, consistent account, which is substantiated by history, science, logic and common sense, over four contradictory accounts by unknown persons, which contradict hundreds of other accounts written around the same time.

  Mohammad was a man, period.

  God said in His Quran (18:110),

  Say: “I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.

  This already makes him imperfect, inconsistent, and prone to make mistakes and lie.

  That is exactly what you would expect. Yet, through him, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, we received the most perfect, most consistent and unrivalled message that has ever come to mankind.

  Now the first 4 books of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were 4 different accounts of the life of Jesus. Each one says that He died and rose again. Each one has corroborating information which supports one another.

  The reason they have some corroborating information is because the unknown authors of these books, were copying from the same sources. Mark copied from a lost source called “Q”. Matthew copied Mark. Luke copied Mark and Matthew and another lost source. John was written specifically for the purpose of proving the divinity of Jesus and it was a developing account that changed as the theology of the church changed.

  Despite their plagiarisms, they still manage to contradict each other and they are full of errors. We are forced to admit that rather than inspired writers the unknown writers were imperfect, inconsistent men, who were prone to mistakes and lies.

  Logically and righteously speaking, those 4 books have more credibility than the Quran. Even still, neither you or I was alive when each was written, but one makes more sense…the New Testament.

  Four contradicting accounts do not supersede one truthful account. Four liars do not render false a truthful man.

  If we are just talking number of accounts given to support a position, then we would be forced to admit that the four “gospels” are superseded by the hundreds of accounts that were rejected simply for not conforming to the Chruch’s theology and its political ambitions.

  You cannot rightfully say that Christianity is wrong until you’ve fully immersed yourself in it.

  You cannot rightfully say that Islam is false until you’ve fully immersed yourself in it. You cannot rightfully say that Hinduism is false until you’ve fully immersed yourself in it. You cannot rightfully say that is false until you’ve fully immersed yourself in it.

  I used to be a practising Christian, which according to you gives me the right to say that Christianity is indeed false.

  Muslims are conditioned to never ask “why?”. If they do, a reply of “God says so” is given and “because God says so, we are not to ask why”.

  I have never been told not to ask “why” and I have never taught my children to not ask “why”. My experience as a Muslim is completely at odds with your assessment.

  We do not question the commands of God. Once you believe in God’s Word with full conviction, you do not need to know why pork is forbidden. Knowing it is forbidden is enough for us to stay away from it.

  However the Quran encourages us to think for ourselves and to contemplate about the world around us.

  God says in His Quran (4:82),

  Do they not consider the Qur’an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.

  And (2:164),

  In the creation of the heavens and Earth, and the alternation of the night and day, and the ships which sail the seas to people’s benefit, and the water which God sends down from the sky – by which He brings the Earth to life when it was dead and scatters about in it creatures of every kind – and the varying direction of the winds, and the clouds subservient between heaven and Earth, there are signs for people who use their intellect.

  Christians believe that God gives directives because He wants to protect us from things that will hurt us and will destroy society and the order of things both in this physical world and the spiritual world, NOT just because he “Said So”.

  Muslims also believe that God gives us directives for our benefit and out of any frivolity. Such is our devotion to God and our Love for Him, we obey God’s command even if we do not understand what the benefit might be.

  How foolish and selfish would a king or ruler be to give a decree just becaue that is how he felt at any given time? It means that he doesn’t really care for those who he is supposed to be leading, but only that his voice is heard. I refuse to belive that God is Selfish and doesn’t care for me. Selfishness is not a trait of a “Perfect” person.

  Why would I disagree? A king whom does not care about his subjects and makes decrees willy-nilly is a selfish king.

  However, it is not an accurate description of God according to Islamic sources.

  We can argue all day as to which is right and which is wrong… the Quran or the Bible and get nowhere. What is your proof that which some old scholar said?

  My proof is the Quran, history, science, logic and common sense.

  I only want to show that he claims to have recieved something from God where no one else can confirm or deny it. Matthew Mark Luke and John claim the same, but it was 4 guys.

  The four gospels were not written by four guys. Rather they are composite works of many unnamed authors written over long periods of history. They contradict each other and they contradict the world around them.

  The Quran speaks for itself and it stands up for itself.

  I’ll tell you what, I would rather go to a court where the judge was fair and considered the corroborating sworn statements of 4 men over the single statement of 1 guy.

  You keep repeating yourself, which has become a bit boring over the enormous length of your comment. However, you argument repeated is not any better. They are not corroborating because they contradict each other. They are not sworn because the authors are all unknown. They were not written by four men but by many men.

  Four false accounts to do lessen a single truthful account. Also Muhammad’s, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, account is not a single account but it is the last account of thousands of prophets. It is the four gospels that are so vastly different from what everyone else before them brought.

  My conversation has been a little provoking, but not for the sake of argueing. Only to get you to lay down your prideful weapons / spirit and seek GOD for yourself. True Christians are taught not to take anyone’s word but to seek God for ourselves. Research for ourselves to see if what a Preacher is saying is the truth and if it makes sense. You also should give it a try.

  Very good insult and attack people you have never met to get them to become less prideful. The irony is that your comment has been the most arrogant and prideful comment that has ever been posted on this site.

  I used to be a Christian and I did seek God for myself. I begged Him every day to guide me to the truth. Every day, I became less inclined to Christianity and more inclined to Islam.

  I was on my way to church, when I decided that I would become Muslim. When I made that decision, I felt God’s peace and mercy throughout my whole body.

  Provide some proof in your rebuttal… You will not be able to.

  You demand proof in my rebuttal, when you don’t provide any in your comment. Your comment did not address a single point in my list. In reality, you comment was nothing more than a personal attack on me, coupled with a surprising amount of anger, hatred and arrogance.

  Alhamdulillah. Think of me how you will. Just know that proving that I am a rubbish example of the human species, does not strengthen your arguments or weaken mine.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. In future, I must request that you keep your comments much shorter or risk me not publishing them on MyIslamicFamily.

  I testify to the fact that there is nothing in the heavens above or the earth below that deserves worship, except Allah. I testify to the fact that Muhammad ibn Abdullah is the slave and messenger of Allah.

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    Michael

    June 18, 2011 at 3:41 am

    Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

    2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

    That goes for the angel that spoke to muhammad. Jesus warned us of False Prophets that will deceive many people.

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  Abdullah

  July 8, 2011 at 11:42 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Thank you for quoting those verses. I wonder if you have any evidence that would make us believe that these are the words of the divine? If not why should we accept them, when we already know that the Bible is riddled with errors, mistakes and absurdities?

  Furthermore, Islam teaches the Gospel of Jesus. It is the four gospels that are at odds with the Gospel of Jesus. Therefore if we accept the verse in Galatians, we would be forced to arrive at the conclusion that every Christian is under God’s curse.

  That goes for the angel that spoke to muhammad. Jesus warned us of False Prophets that will deceive many people.

  The angel that spoke to Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, was Gabriel.

  God says in His Quran (2:98),

  Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I hope that you enjoyed my reply.

  May Allah open your heart towards the truth. Ameen.

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    Sadat Hussain

    June 28, 2011 at 1:27 am

    Assalamu Alikum Warahmutullah,
    Brother Abdullah
    Thank you very much for your thoughtful, civic and scholarly reasoning of the matters.May allah reward you for your excellent work. We are proud of you! You are doing the right thing as we all Muslims aught to do convey the message even if it’s a single verse. What’s so amazing about you that as a former christian you know the doctrine in depth which many of us are unaware of.And never mind you will find many christian tend to accuse Islam without proving their point with clear and any concise evidence;They rather choose hit and run policy! They know it’s an impossible task for them to prove that their doctrine is true. They also know they cannot face truth with falsehood. Falsehood bound to be parish.
    Keep up your good work! What else could be more precious and more than calling towards Allah and his way!
    Zajakallah
    your brother in Islam.

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    Judith

    July 5, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Hello,

    I read all the post of the 10 reasons and also one comment of a Christian believer, which I agree absolutely with.

    I will tell you something, despite verses and doctrines, there is something that makes me believe in Christ as my Lord and Savior. And that is that in His name I can feel TRUE LOVE.

    When I read Q´ran verses I just feel hatred but when I read Bible verses I just feel love, peaceful spirit. And I feel hy heart becomes clean by the Holy Spirit. Therefore when I read it I become happy and full of Love. To me, that is the greatest testimony that the Bible, that book, it really comes from GOD. Because only a God of Love could create this world, as you see how the parents love their children, how can you think God is a God without Love…..

    By the way, what happen in the paradise to the woman according to the Islam ?

    And why a God of justice allows man to beat their wives if they are disobedient?

    And why a God of mercy allow man to marry many women and make them feel despise in that way….?

    No matter the reasons you are giving about Bible text validity…the content of Islam speak by itself, give a better way to God, but it is really painful way spiritually speaking…

    Please, tell me really if in Islam honestly you feel LOVE ?

    And man…how can you compare Jesus with Mohamma…? Jesus never killed anyone in his whole life…but Mohamma killed many people and he was sexually perverted who married 15 times sayng that it was a mercyful act…

    Please read this link if you have time….

    [links removed]

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  Abdullah

  July 8, 2011 at 11:16 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily Judith and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Please note that I have removed the links in your comments. Also, I have deleted your second comment, which was nothing more than an attempt to post a link. If you are interested in knowing why I do not allow links of these type to be posted on my site, please read the comments in this post: http://myislamicfamily.com/2010/01/04/the-quran-and-the-bible-in-the-light-of-science/

  I did, however, look through each of the sites. Funnily enough, you linked to one article that I have already addressed in these comments. You really should, read through all the comments.

  I will tell you something, despite verses and doctrines, there is something that makes me believe in Christ as my Lord and Savior. And that is that in His name I can feel TRUE LOVE.

  Bascially, despite all the evidence against the Bible, Christianity and a divine Jesus, you are going to carry on because you feel love. I wonder if those people, who suffered the Biblical genocides, rapes and murder also felt the “love”.

  When I read Q´ran verses I just feel hatred but when I read Bible verses I just feel love, peaceful spirit.When I read Q´ran verses I just feel hatred but when I read Bible verses I just feel love, peaceful spirit.

  Based on your comment and the links that you’ve posted, I know that you are not a reader of the Quran or the Bible. At best, you are a selective reader. The Bible is full of war, murder, rape, genocide and racism. Alhamdulillah, the Quran is free from evil and everyone can see that if they genuinely consider the verse of the Quran and not take fragments and twist them, like what they authors of the sites you linked to do.

  By the way, what happen in the paradise to the woman according to the Islam ?

  God has told us plainly in the Quran (39:34),

  They shall have all that they will desire with their Lord.

  And why a God of justice allows man to beat their wives if they are disobedient?

  God does not allow men to beat their wives for any reason.

  And why a God of mercy allow man to marry many women and make them feel despise in that way….?

  God does not allow men to marry more than one to make them feel despised.

  No matter the reasons you are giving about Bible text validity…the content of Islam speak by itself, give a better way to God, but it is really painful way spiritually speaking…

  The truth is hard on everyone who loves falsehood. You do not care if the Bible is valid or invalid you love it the same. That is preventing you from hearing the truth.

  Please, tell me really if in Islam honestly you feel LOVE ?

  I have only felt love as a follower of Islam. All the time that I was Christian, I felt an uneasy darkness.

  And man…how can you compare Jesus with Mohamma…? Jesus never killed anyone in his whole life…but Mohamma killed many people and he was sexually perverted who married 15 times sayng that it was a mercyful act…

  You are in such a rush to disparage Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, that you have inadvertantly disparaged all the prophets of God, including Jesus.

  Jesus did not marry because he did not have time or opportunity but among the prophets that did marry many took multiple wives. A ready example is the prophet Abraham, who had three wives. Polygamy is not sexual perversion and you have used your Western culture to disparage what God Himself allowed.

  Jesus did not kill anyone, but he planned to. He told his disciples to sell their garments and buy swords. He couldn’t carry out his plans because he did not have time or opportunity. According to the Bible, Moses killed many in wars sanctioned by God, including genocide and rape. David was praised for carrying out genocide, while Saul was rebuked for not doing so.

  To disparage Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa sallam, for fighting and marrying women is to condemn the prophets of God and by extension God Himself.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I hope that you have enjoyed my response.

  In future, I hope that you move beyond the sad, tired commentary given to the Quran by biased and deceitful Christians.

  All praise and thanks belong to Allah alone, Who saved me from the darkness of disbelief to the light of true faith.

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    Judith

    July 8, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    [SNIPPED]

    See…I will tell you….one example about this matter :

    [SNIPPED]

    And this is only one example about what you mention, but in Corah, Allah commands to kill to unbelievers in very explicit way without any mercy….

    [SNIPPED]

    And what does this mean, about desire? what if what they desire is a bad desire? or sinful? Oh I see, in Islam there is no sin…that is why this world is so corrupted, because many people think that there is no sin…! So is there any limit in this statement about things that you can have in heaven according to Islam? Please, teach me, since I don´t read much Corah, I want to know seriously.

    [SNIPPED]

    If not, then what this verse means?

    Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

    [SNIPPED]

    Then why God allow to marry more than one woman? I already feel difficult hearing that, and I am a woman. It is unnatural….

    [SNIPPED]

    I am sorry, but before the law of Moses Man was so corrupted that was marring with several women, that is why God sent the laws of Moses , to tell that this is a SIN.

    [SNIPPED]

    HA! THIS IS ACCORDING TO BIBLE OR ACCORDING TO CORAH…??? I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO CORAH WHICH CAME WHEN THE REVELATION OF GOD WAS ALREADY FINISHED WITH JESUS CHRIST….

    [SNIPPED]

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  Abdullah

  July 10, 2011 at 7:18 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Thank you for replying to my reply Judith. However it was deeply offensive, far too long (well over 5,000 words) and contained copy and pasted content, which I recognized from the websites you linked to in your first post.

  I have snipped most of your comment because of its appalling nature. In one breath you talked about love, loving your enemies and justified killing children.

  You are no longer welcome on MyIslamicFamily and I will never allow any comment of yours to appear on this site again. Including your third comment, which was some non-sense about refusing to discuss the Bible critically.

  I cannot think of words strong enough to satisfactorily condemn your callous immorality and still remain within the confines of decency. However, this will be a note for everyone, who hopes to us this blog as a podium for justifying the killing of innocents, especially children.

  This blog is not for you. You deserve to be ridiculed and boycotted. I pray to Almighty Allah that there are very few of people like you amongst all religious and non-religious people.

  The immoral ideology that you attempted to spread here is no different than the hatred espoused by the most evil and vilest of mankind.

  And this is only one example about what you mention, but in Corah, Allah commands to kill to unbelievers in very explicit way without any mercy….

  There is absolutely no justification for killing innocent people, especially children.

  You happily write about Islam, without the slightest bit of knowledge or forethought. Let me be clear, that Islam forbids killing any innocent person regardless of their beliefs. In fact, there are many instances where we are obliged to protect the lives, honour and wealth of non-Muslims.

  Even during active fighting, Muslims are not allowed to kill the elderly, the young, women, priests, rabbis, nuns, monks or anyone who does not come out to fight. We are not allowed to cut trees or kill animals or destroy religious buildings.

  Furthermore, we are instructed to accept peace from anyone, who accepts peace.

  That is from our scripture and our history testifies to the same. There are millions of non-Muslims living in the heart of the land of the Muslims. They have been there for thousands of years. There are even large numbers of Jews living amongst the Muslims, who settled there after fleeing from Christian persecution. If the Muslims, for even one moment in their history, did what you accuse us of, there would not a single Christian in any Muslim land.

  Your doctrine of loving your enemy or forgiving those in power over you is nothing compared to the mercy of the Prophet Muhammad, salallahu alayhi wa sallm, when he forgave his enemies when he had power over them.

  And what does this mean, about desire? what if what they desire is a bad desire? or sinful? Oh I see, in Islam there is no sin…that is why this world is so corrupted, because many people think that there is no sin…! So is there any limit in this statement about things that you can have in heaven according to Islam? Please, teach me, since I don´t read much Corah, I want to know seriously.

  You have a sickness. I tell you that the women of paradise can have anything they want and you immediately think of some corrupted desire.

  Moreover, Muslims do believe in sin. How can you confidently write about something you are completely ignorant of? It is the high of dishonesty.

  If not, then what this verse means?

  Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

  This is what I meant about not reading everything. If you had, you would have realised that this ayah has already been quoted by another Christian, who ignorantly hoped to prove that Islam allows men to beat their wives.

  Though, I feel this is likely wasted on you, here is a good explanation of that verse in the light of Islam: http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/dv-4-34-shafaat.html

  Then why God allow to marry more than one woman? I already feel difficult hearing that, and I am a woman. It is unnatural….

  It is so strange that you don’t have a problem with killing babies but you have a problem with a man marrying more than one woman. As a woman, you don’t have compassion for children and justify their slaying but if a man marries more than one woman you shed tears.

  I am sorry, but before the law of Moses Man was so corrupted that was marring with several women, that is why God sent the laws of Moses , to tell that this is a SIN.

  Your sickness continues. To justify your unjust vilification of polygamy you happily slander the prophets of God, the best of mankind.

  HA! THIS IS ACCORDING TO BIBLE OR ACCORDING TO CORAH…??? I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO CORAH WHICH CAME WHEN THE REVELATION OF GOD WAS ALREADY FINISHED WITH JESUS CHRIST….

  Like I said, you are not a reader of the Bible. You are so sure of yourself that you didn’t even check up with your own Bible. I suspect that you didn’t know where to even begin.

  In Luke 22:36 we are made to believe that the Biblical Jesus said,

  Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

  May Allah guide you to Al-Islam, the truth.

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    Ahmed

    July 20, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Asalamu Alekum … The information is very true! i am a Muslim and by the way , i am 13! yea yea! i know!, very young! but i just wanted to say, that it was written in the Bible that a Prophet called Muhammad will arrive but unfortunately, some people changed the Bible! :( they deleated some things and changed some things! i have done a lot of research about that! :D And alhamdulelah i pray five times a day and fast Ramadan!

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    Thomas

    July 24, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    The Quran glorifies crime and endorses lying:
    …
    surah 4:101 states: “The unbelievers are your inveterate foe
    If you are not a Muslim, you wont get any sleep tonight.”

    surah 9:30 states :The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him;”

    ——-

    Water has only three states: A solid, a liquid, and a vapor. Even if plasma was a “4th” state, it would still be considered a gas> an ionized gas.
    …
    I am not saying that baryonic matter does not exist, but by the fact that you mentioned it, you are supporting the ideas of non-creationists: The “Big Boom Theory”.

    ——-

    Notice one thing in particular, Jesus didn’t enter the World with a man’s sperm entering a womans egg.

    ——-

    I must point out a discrepancy to your point number 4. Caliph Abu Bakr collected the multiple chapters and verses of the Qu’ran into one volume and a group of reciters, to include Zayd ibn Thabit, compiled the manuscripts and produced several hand written copies of the complete book.

    Do you think that there is a chance that someone could have changed some of the original literature from Prophet Mohammad? Even if by mistake? The point that I am making is that mankind is human, prone to make mistakes, and prone to commit sins. As I have stated to many individuals: You nor I was there when each manuscript was written and/or compiled. So, what do we do? How do you find the truth? Well, if a person belives that God exists and that He must love us, that person can ask God directly.

    —-

    Sincerely, with Godly Love (do you know what Godly Love is?)
    Thomas.

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  Abdullah

  July 25, 2011 at 6:57 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Thomas,

  Most of your comments end with the word “agape” or “love”. However, I do not sense any love from the body of your comments.

  Unfortunately, this is the last time I will allow a comment of yours to appear on MyIslamicFamily.

  When you made your first comment, I spent my time and care to answer you according to my understanding, knowledge, experiences and concern for our spiritual benefit. I answered every point. Even though I did not expect you to agree with everything I wrote, I did expect that at least we had found a common point to begin discussing our different beliefs.

  You have greeted that with repeating your original comments, without any concern for my reply. Why should I answer the same questions that I have already answered many times? Is your argument so weak that you are unable to respond to any criticism of it?

  Furthermore, you have written four comments in a single go. Many of the points you make in each of the comments are the same AND I have already answered them.

  Finally, you misrepresented the Quran. Such dishonesty is unacceptable.

  Although I have deleted the other comments, I have copied some parts of them, which I wanted to reply to, into this last comment of yours. I have done my best to keep all the new points you make, while removing the repeated points that have already been answered.

  You said, “The Quran glorifies crime and endorses lying:“.

  By this you are suggesting that the Quran glorifies crime because permission is given to Muslims to fight against those who are fighting them. If that is criminality, what then is a book that glorifies the killing of innocent men, women and children?

  We read in the Bible (1 Samuel 15:1-3): 1. Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD. 2. Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

  Do you support the child killing god of the Bible? Is it right to kill babies?

  You never gave any proof for the claim of glorifying lying but I have already given proof from the Bible Paul’s glorification of lying.

  You said, “surah 4:101 states: “The unbelievers are your inveterate foe
  If you are not a Muslim, you wont get any sleep tonight.”.

  Allah says in 4:101,

  And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies.

  You said, “surah 9:30 states :The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him;” .

  Allah says in 9:30,

  And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!

  Why would you lie so blatantly about the Quran? Wouldn’t you expect me to look up those verses that seemed out of place?

  You said, “Water has only three states: A solid, a liquid, and a vapor. Even if plasma was a “4th” state, it would still be considered a gas> an ionized gas..

  If plasma is a 4th state, it cannot be a gas because designating it as a fourth state suggests that it has a significant difference to the other three. Check out this Wikipedia article: Plasma (physics). In fact you might want to edit it, just to make it conform more closely to your claims.

  You said, “I am not saying that baryonic matter does not exist, but by the fact that you mentioned it, you are supporting the ideas of non-creationists: The “Big Boom Theory”..

  I should hope you aren’t going to deny Baryonic matter, since the stuff is all around you. The Big Bang does not disprove creationism.

  You said, “Notice one thing in particular, Jesus didn’t enter the World with a man’s sperm entering a womans egg..

  Neither did Adam, alayhi sallam, but that doesn’t stop you from attributing all evil to him.

  You said, “I must point out a discrepancy to your point number 4.”.

  My point four is about the Bible witnessing against itself. It has nothing to do with the way the Quran or the Bible was compiled. Why such carelessness?

  You said, “Caliph Abu Bakr collected the multiple chapters and verses of the Qu’ran into one volume and a group of reciters, to include Zayd ibn Thabit, compiled the manuscripts and produced several hand written copies of the complete book. Do you think that there is a chance that someone could have changed some of the original literature from Prophet Mohammad? Even if by mistake?“.

  Unfortunately, you are ignorant about the method used to compile the Quran. If you are really interested in correcting your misunderstanding then get the book entitled, “The History of the Quranic Text from Revelation to Compilation“.

  You said, “Well, if a person belives that God exists and that He must love us, that person can ask God directly..

  This has been your main point throughout all of your comments. Ask God directly and He will guide you. He will NOT lie to you. He WANTS us to be guided. I do not disagree with you. As I have said before, which has been completely ignored by you, that is exactly what I did. It was from asking God directly that I became inclined towards Islam. I know many other ex-Christian Muslims who have had amazingly similar experiences as I have. Following your advise, I have to remain a Muslim.

  I pray that Almighty God guides you to the truth, Al-Islam.

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    ron

    August 17, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Many of the prophesies in the old testiment have taken place. Many are for these last days. And have not yet come to pass. So please check.Its not over yet. So you still have time to get on the same page with my FATHER.

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  Abdullah

  August 19, 2011 at 9:46 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily ron and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  It is disappointing that the Christians commenting here have given up on disproving any of my ten points. They seem contented to only bring up what they think is in their favour (example: prophesies) or what they think is against Islam (example: Islam is violent).

  The problem with playing the prophesy card from a Christian point-of-view is that through inspection it strengthens my point number two, The Bible is Corrupt. If God inspires men to write His Word and it includes 1,000 prophesies, 1,000 prophesies must be fulfilled. 999 fulfilled prophesies is not good enough. Don’t you agree?

  What about the ones that got away?

  In the book of Jonah 3 we are made to believe that the prophet Jonah is commanded to enter the city of Nineveh and prophesy that it would be destroyed in 40 days time. At the end of the chapter God repents and changes His mind and does not destroy the city.

  Not convinced? Genesis 15:13, Ezekiel 29:10-11, Isaiah 52:1, Isaiah 19:18 all contain failed prophesies and that is just a sampling.

  The idea that the Old Testament is a great book of prophesy is found wanting. Even if it were not found wanting, it would do nothing to support the Christian view because the Old Testament does not support the New Testament. Moreover, the New Testament has its own failed prophesies.

  The Christians have long attempted to use the perceived authenticity of the Jewish religion to bolster their own claims. How ever much we strain our eyes, the reality is that the Jewish religion and the Christian religion are poles apart. There is no spiritual connection between the New and Old Testaments. In fact, the only connections between them are some plagiarisms by New Testament writers.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I look forward to your future contributions, if any.

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  Michael

  August 23, 2011 at 2:02 am

  You are such a Double Standard Hypicrote. You keep saying the Holy Bible is “Corrupt” Yet you use Verses from the “Corrupt Holy Bible” and use it against Christians.
  So what is it, if the Bible is “Corrupt” than why do you use it against Christians. As you say in
  Number 8: The Bible is Inconsistent.

  “There is nothing wrong with a book written over thousands of years to contain stylistic differences. However, if the source is the same unchanging and perfect God then we expect a consistent and coherent message throughout. The Bible suffers from drastic schizophrenic changes. God’s very nature gets turn upside-down. “The changes are so great that it is impossible for someone to give an intelligent description of God’s nature based on the entire Bible” ” It is riddled with errors, contradictions, failed prophecies and unintelligible verses”
  Your words and Yet you Still use Bible verses against Christians, how do you know the Verses you used against Christians are NOT “Corrupt”??? You cant just pick and choose. If the Bible is “Corrupt” dont use it. It doesn’t make any sense.
  Even one of your fellow Muslims here on your own page said you are an example why she is ASHAMED to be a MUSLIM cause of people like YOU. Her Words Katriona says:
  “People like you who publicly disrespect other religions like this make me ashamed to be a Muslim” ASHAMED to be Muslim.
  Just stop and save yourself from further Embarrassement and Humilation.

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  Abdullah

  August 23, 2011 at 3:04 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily, Michael, and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  Thank you for bringing up a very good point. I hope that you find my explanation of why I use Bible verses in the way that I do satisfactory.

  First we have to clear up something. It is an absolute fact that the Bible has been corrupted. Any denial of that fact is misguided and cannot be taken seriously.

  I use Bible verses when discussing Christianity in two ways. Firstly, I use them to demonstrate the corrupt nature of the book. That is done by giving examples of factual errors, contradictions and failed prophesies. Secondly, I use them to demonstrate the disparity been Christian theology and the actual text. For example, to show Christians that the Biblical Jesus said he was not equal to God.

  The reason for this usage is to show that the Bible is a witness against itself and any belief system based on it is by its nature corrupt. Additionally, the usage is to dispel many untruths that Christians believe to be undeniable reality.

  I do not use any verses of the Bible as proof for truth. Any truth in the Bible can only be accidental. The parts of it that have genuine beginnings have suffered too many pens by too many unscrupulous men to be considered valid. And the parts that have an ignoble beginning are not helped by lying scribes.

  Truth is in the Quran and Success is through complete wilful submission to God Alone.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I look forward to any future contribution that you may make.

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    Uzair

    September 4, 2011 at 3:11 am

    Any one who ever questions the authenticity of Quran proves his own ignorance by doing so. It is a fact (and you can try researching it if you dont believe me) that Quran has NEVER EVER been fabricated or altered in any way. If you were to take a copy of the Quran printed a 100 years ago, a copy printed 400 years ago and a copy printed a 1000 years ago, moreover, if you were take prints from different geographical locations like one in Turkey, one in Britain and one in India, and compared them they would exactly be the same. Not even a full stop would be differently printed.

    Moreover, there has NEVER been a book in the history of the world which has had such a huge impact on a nation as Quran has had. Picture a small group (a couple dozen at the most) of people in 610s (AD), most of them slaves, extremely poor and illiterate, getting tortured, beaten, starved, and a sonsiderable number even killed for proclaiming “La illaha illallah, mohammadur rasoolullah”. To the common man, this small, obscure and oppressed group of people does not seem to have any future in the next few years. Now imagine this same “group” of people turning into the greatest empire of the time in 645 AD. Imagine them defeating the great empires of Rome and Persia with armies of a few thousand men while the kings of these huge empires were waiting to meet them with 100, 000 men or more.

    Which book can you tell me of which can single handedly produce a civilization like this in a matter of 35 years?

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    greggy

    September 15, 2011 at 5:29 am

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  Abdullah

  September 15, 2011 at 9:28 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Thank you for taking the time to comment greggy. Unfortunately, I am forced to ban you from commenting further. Your comment was nearly 10,000 words and all but one line was a copy/paste. I’ve not read your comment thoroughly and I will not read it thoroughly but those parts that I did read were humorous. I found them funny because they expose the profound ignorance about God, Islam, the Quran and Muslims and the deep-seated hatred that Christians have for Muslims, despite their claims of being people of love. You are by far not alone. Some of your fellow Christians in this discussion have posted under a multitude of names and email addresses in order to be hateful and loving (agape).

  Allah says in His Quran (3:118),

  يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَتَّخِذُوا۟ بِطَانَةًۭ مِّن دُونِكُمْ لَا يَأْلُونَكُمْ خَبَالًۭا وَدُّوا۟ مَا عَنِتُّمْ قَدْ بَدَتِ ٱلْبَغْضَآءُ مِنْ أَفْوَٰهِهِمْ وَمَا تُخْفِى صُدُورُهُمْ أَكْبَرُ ۚ قَدْ بَيَّنَّا لَكُمُ ٱلْءَايَٰتِ ۖ إِن كُنتُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ

  Translated by Hilali Khan as:
  O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand.

  I thought about replying so some of the absurd statements which you pasted by the preachers of hate but I won’t. There is no sincerity in copy/pasting large articles and mashing them together. Even less sincerity considering that you posted the almost identical thing twice in the same discussion. Even less because some of what you posted has already been posted and refuted in this discussion. Moreover, this is more likely to be another hit-and-run attack. An attempt to have Muslims read offensive material with no intention of backing up any of the claims.

  Allah says in His Quran (3:64),

  قُلْ يَٰٓأَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ تَعَالَوْا۟ إِلَىٰ كَلِمَةٍۢ سَوَآءٍۭ بَيْنَنَا وَبَيْنَكُمْ أَلَّا نَعْبُدَ إِلَّا ٱللَّهَ وَلَا نُشْرِكَ بِهِۦ شَيْـًۭٔا وَلَا يَتَّخِذَ بَعْضُنَا بَعْضًا أَرْبَابًۭا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ فَإِن تَوَلَّوْا۟ فَقُولُوا۟ ٱشْهَدُوا۟ بِأَنَّا مُسْلِمُونَ

  Translated by Hilali Khan as:
  Say (O Muhammad SAW): “O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: “Bear witness that we are Muslims.”

  I worship none but the True God, who is free from having any partner. There are no lords besides God. Will you turn away from your Lord? Bear witness, I am a Muslim.

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    Jessamine

    September 24, 2011 at 6:26 am

    Dear Abdullah,

    Hi there, I hope you will not mind but I am a Christian looking at your sight; I’ve been researching about Christian and Muslim religions, because frankly I didn’t quite understand the difference. I hope we can both accept that we are different for a while, and explain to me more about the Muslim religion? Because I’d like to know more. I do appreciate that you put this up, thank you for helping me, but do you think you could help expand on this? I don’t quite understand everything.

    1) On the 10th reason why Christianity is wrong, you said that Paul and missionaries are corrupt, and that they employ every bit of trickery and stuff. You also said that missionaries are from the devil. But what kinds of trickery? Lying? Traps? I’d really like to know more, if you could tell me about it.

    2) Differences between the Bible and the Muslim doctrine, which I believe is called the Qur’an, correct? Please tell me if I’m wrong. (Just for the sake of this question, I’m going to refer to it as the Qur’an.) Does the Bible and the Qur’an share the Old Testament (I’m sorry, I don’t know what it’s called in the Qur’an) , with the stories about Adam and Eve; Noah and the Ark; Moses; Daniel; and Joseph? What are the differences in the second part? I know in the Bible it tells about Jesus Christ, Paul, and the Tribulation. Could you tell me about what the Qur’an says? Do you think you could tell me where I could get a copy of the Qur’an? Thanks so much.

    3) When you say that God’s nature gets turned upside-down, are you referring to how sometimes he is forgiving and other times he kills a lot of people? We as Christians believe that God is the God of love AND justice, so although he loves he also keeps justice because to not give justice would to go against his nature. Also, I do recall that he gave many chances to the people he had killed, one instance he gave like 100 years if I remember correctly. Is the message wrong? Could you tell me why and how?

    4)
    QUOTE:
    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” — Matthew 7:21-23.
    /end quote/

    We say that God seeks a personal relationship with us, and that he wants us to know and love each other. In this verse we say that those who do things in God’s name but don’t have a personal relationship with God didn’t really do those things in God’s name. You know, it’s kind of like saying you do something for this cause just in case it’s true, and then it suddenly turns out to be true so you use that thing you did as a reason to let you in or accept you. But you didn’t really believe in the cause when you did this or that, so then you actually didn’t really do it for the cause. So this is what the Christians believe. Is that a logical explanation? Could you tell me why or why not?

    5) Are Allah and God names for the same person?

    6) Don’t the Islams believe that people should not murder, because not murdering is right? Don’t they believe that we should be loving, like Christians? If so, why did Muslims bomb the twin towers? Were they just extremists? I can concede that many Christians did things wrong, such as declaring war on the Muslims, but I also believe the Muslims have done wrong things too. Could you help explain that to me?

    Also…was Bin Laden Muslim?

    7) Do Muslims believe that God is Love? Because if they do, I don’t understand how one could BE love without others to love.

    8)
    QUOTE:
    “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” — 1 Corinthians 1:18
    /end quote/

    This is what the Bible says, which is that if you don’t believe in Jesus as the Savior and you don’t believe in God, the Bible makes no sense and is foolish. So the thing is, why is it that it didn’t make sense before I was Christian but when I was Christian it did make sense? I don’t expect you to be an expert in Christian doctrine, but if you can explain I would sincerely appreciate it.

    Also, if the whole Bible being true thing is just self-fulfillment, how do I know that the Qur’an and things coming true isn’t just self-fulfillment either?

    9) Let’s say that Christianity is false. How, then, do I know that the Muslim religion is true? Because for all I know it is as false as Christianity. Is there any solid proof? Or is there not any solid proof, like there isn’t solid proof that I know of concerning the Bible?

    That’s all the questions I have. I just want to say Thank you so much for clarifying these things for me. You see, I am trying to decide which is right and which is wrong, so I am getting information from both sides. Once again, thank you very very much, I really appreciate you taking the time to read this, and hopefully answering my questions. Also I am 12 years old, so answers may affect how I view the Muslim religion for a long time, just letting you know. Thank you once again, God bless you. (Since we both believe in God.)

    Sincerely,

    Jessica.

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  Abdullah

  September 26, 2011 at 10:35 am

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment.

  I would like to congratulate you for a courage and wisdom beyond your years. Many people live their entire lives without ever questioning and die having never sought the truth. Yet, you at the age of twelve are seeking the truth and I ask Allah to make your search fruitful.

  I will do my best to answer your questions as honestly and directly as I can. I only ask in return that you seek a clarification if my answers seem confusing to you.

  1) On the 10th reason why Christianity is wrong, you said that Paul and missionaries are corrupt, and that they employ every bit of trickery and stuff. You also said that missionaries are from the devil. But what kinds of trickery? Lying? Traps? I’d really like to know more, if you could tell me about it.

  Let me be clear that I do not think all missionaries are evil or from the devil or anything but sincere. However, all missionaries are doing evil by calling people to Christianity because anything that takes us away from a belief in a Single and Unified God is evil.

  Paul and some missionaries are evil because they knowingly call to Christianity under false pretences.

  Some examples:

  • Bribing with food or housing.
  • Making churches look like mosques from the outside.
  • Dressing like Muslims and growing beards.
  • Rewriting their Arabic version of the New Testament in the style of the Quran and plagiarising many common Quranic expressions.
  • Pretending to be ex-Muslim.
  • Creating videos of fake Muslim converts to Christianity videos.
  • Intentionally misquoting and lying about the Quranic message.

  There are many more that I could mention, but I hope these are enough. If you have time and are interested you can take a look at this post I wrote: http://myislamicfamily.com/2010/missionary-deception/

  2) Differences between the Bible and the Muslim doctrine, which I believe is called the Qur’an, correct? Please tell me if I’m wrong. (Just for the sake of this question, I’m going to refer to it as the Qur’an.) Does the Bible and the Qur’an share the Old Testament (I’m sorry, I don’t know what it’s called in the Qur’an) , with the stories about Adam and Eve; Noah and the Ark; Moses; Daniel; and Joseph? What are the differences in the second part? I know in the Bible it tells about Jesus Christ, Paul, and the Tribulation. Could you tell me about what the Qur’an says? Do you think you could tell me where I could get a copy of the Qur’an? Thanks so much.

  Yes, the scripture of Muslims is called The Quran. It can be written as Quran, Al-Quran, Qur’an or Koran. They are all correct. However, Muslims tend to favour ‘Qu’ over ‘Ko’. I favour spelling it without an apostrophe.

  The Quran is very unlike the Bible, in terms of style, tone and consistency of message. Its purpose is to be a reminder to mankind to believe in God alone, to worship God alone and that in the end we will all face Judgement Day. It corrects wrong actions and wrong beliefs. Its whole message is to support the fact that God is a Single and Unified God, without any equal or partner.

  The Quran is not divided into two parts and it does not contain the Old Testament. It does, however, tell the story of many Hebrew prophets, may the Peace and Blessings of God be upon them all, and Muslims are required to believe in all of the true prophets of God. Though, the stories are not identical and the Quran saves them from some nasty accusations that are made in the Bible. The Quran also corrects the two extreme views held by Jews and Christians regarding Jesus.

  3) When you say that God’s nature gets turned upside-down, are you referring to how sometimes he is forgiving and other times he kills a lot of people? We as Christians believe that God is the God of love AND justice, so although he loves he also keeps justice because to not give justice would to go against his nature. Also, I do recall that he gave many chances to the people he had killed, one instance he gave like 100 years if I remember correctly. Is the message wrong? Could you tell me why and how?

  When I say that God’s nature gets turned upside down, I am mainly referring to His Oneness. Throughout, the Old Testament it is clear that God is a Single and Unified God. Suddenly, in the New Testament, a part of God is on earth, another is in Heaven and yet another is floating around in some unknown location. The ease of understanding God Singular nature is no longer present in the New Testament. I spent the first 15 years of my life as a Christian and I have been discussing Christianity with Christians for the last 11 years and I have never heard an explanation of God’s nature from a Christian that made any sense.

  Muslims also believe God is a God of Love and Justice. However, you must admit that some of the actions attributed to God in the Bible have nothing to do with justice. It is not just to punish the innocent for the crimes of his father. If you feel up to it read ‘1 Samuel 15’, is that command, to commit genocide, ‘justice’?

  4) We say that God seeks a personal relationship with us, and that he wants us to know and love each other. In this verse we say that those who do things in God’s name but don’t have a personal relationship with God didn’t really do those things in God’s name. You know, it’s kind of like saying you do something for this cause just in case it’s true, and then it suddenly turns out to be true so you use that thing you did as a reason to let you in or accept you. But you didn’t really believe in the cause when you did this or that, so then you actually didn’t really do it for the cause. So this is what the Christians believe. Is that a logical explanation? Could you tell me why or why not?

  I think that is part of the explanation but you’re missing a key element. Muslims also believe that God seeks a personal relationship with us. In fact, I would argue that no religious group has a more direct and personal relationship with God than Muslims. However, it is not a relationship of equals. We worship God and we obey God.

  The element that you are missing is the requirement to obey the commands of God. It is not enough to believe and yet refuse to follow the commandments. God first and most important commandment is to believe in a Singular and United God and make our worship for His sake alone. Christians, by following Paul, have failed this very first and most important commandment.

  5) Are Allah and God names for the same person?

  Arabic Christians and Malaysian Christians, use the word ‘Allah’ whenever they refer to God. If you read the Arabic Life Application Bible, you will see that the translators chose to use the word Allah whenever they translated to word God.

  All Muslims use the word Allah because we still have our original scripture which is in Arabic. Moreover, many Arabs argue that the word Allah is better than the word God because you cannot make it feminine or masculine (example: goddess) and you cannot make it plural (example: gods). And Allah always refers to the One True God, unlike the God (example: god).

  6) Don’t the Islams believe that people should not murder, because not murdering is right? Don’t they believe that we should be loving, like Christians? If so, why did Muslims bomb the twin towers? Were they just extremists? I can concede that many Christians did things wrong, such as declaring war on the Muslims, but I also believe the Muslims have done wrong things too. Could you help explain that to me?
  Also…was Bin Laden Muslim?

  It is part of the human condition that we make mistakes and commit very wrong actions. Often, we do these things while believing them to be good. A wrong action by a person or group of people does not condemn the whole, regardless of the reasons given for the crime.

  Regarding the Twin Towers and every other act in which innocent people was targeted, they are wrong and we reject them forcefully. The Quran says that killing even one innocent person is like killing the whole of mankind. Our prophet, peace be upon him, forbade us from killing innocent people and his companions forbade us from killing innocent people. In fact, we are required to save and protect innocent people regardless of their religion.

  Regarding Bin Laden, you will appreciate that I did not know him and he is dead. I do not know if he had anything to do with 9/11. Even if he did, I don’t know if God has forgiven him. Plus, Islam forbids us from speaking badly about the dead, regardless if they were evil or not. In short, I don’t know the answer to your question. Though I can say, killing innocent people is a very unIslamic act.

  7) Do Muslims believe that God is Love? Because if they do, I don’t understand how one could BE love without others to love.

  God is Al-Wadud (The Loving One). God does have others to love. God says in His Quran (3:31) ‘Say: “If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”’

  8) QUOTE:
  “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” — 1 Corinthians 1:18
  /end quote/
  This is what the Bible says, which is that if you don’t believe in Jesus as the Savior and you don’t believe in God, the Bible makes no sense and is foolish. So the thing is, why is it that it didn’t make sense before I was Christian but when I was Christian it did make sense? I don’t expect you to be an expert in Christian doctrine, but if you can explain I would sincerely appreciate it.
  Also, if the whole Bible being true thing is just self-fulfillment, how do I know that the Qur’an and things coming true isn’t just self-fulfillment either?

  When I was an active member of a Church this “message of the cross” was the first thing that caused me to doubt Christianity. Oddly enough, this doubt only arose in me after I was baptised.

  The reason the Bible doesn’t make sense to non-Christians is that it is self-contradictory. Take for example, the belief in Jesus as the Saviour. To be a Christian you must believe that Jesus died for your sins. However, the Old Testament makes no such requirement to attain forgiveness. “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14 “ As you can see there is no requirement for ANY type of sacrifice. Why does God have the ability to forgive in the Old Testament but cannot forgive without killing himself in the New Testament?

  Now consider the purpose of the Bible. Is it meant to serve as guidance for mankind or is it meant to confuse us? Why would God, who made us with thinking minds, make His true religion seem like foolishness to everyone except those who already believe?

  The Bible really is not self-fulfilling. It is a witness against its own truthfulness. The Quran, while internally self-fulfilling, it is also externally-fulfilling. Throughout the Quran, God gives His proofs and evidences that He is true, that His Quran is true and that His prophet is true.

  9) Let’s say that Christianity is false. How, then, do I know that the Muslim religion is true? Because for all I know it is as false as Christianity. Is there any solid proof? Or is there not any solid proof, like there isn’t solid proof that I know of concerning the Bible?

  The proof that Islam is true is the Quran, His prophet and the observable world. The only way you will be able to judge for yourself is if you study the Quran and study the biography of Muhammad, peace be upon him. Examine the claims and evidences they make and contemplate on the creation of God.

  I’m confident that once you start reading the Quran, you will realise the big difference between the two books.

  I would be happy to send you a copy of the Quran, but I fear that it would be inappropriate for me to send it to you given your age and gender. I recommend that in whatever country you live in, you find a mosque or Islamic bookstore and ask them for a copy.

  You can also go to: http://www.allahsquran.com/all_about_the_quran.php which is a site that is owned by a former Christian pastor, who has become Muslim. There is also a link to get a free Quran on the bottom.

  Jessica, I am very pleased to have met you. It is heart-warming that someone as young as you can ask such important questions. I am amazed. I would not have believed you were 12 if you had not mentioned it in your comment.

  I pray that God gives you what you are looking for and grants you the courage to accept it.

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    Dove

    September 30, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    10. Missionary deception: I trust Paul’s message before I trust what I find. Look at his life and how Christ changed him. Reading his 13 books of the NT you can clearly tell he was a man of God. He even declared that if you hear another gospel from someone else or an angel from heaven (Gal 1:8) and deny Jesus is God then you are antichrist (1 John 4:3) Paul is the best secular source since he met christ AFTER his resurrection.

    9. Pagan Influence. God used his enemies at the council of Nicea. Mark 12:29 clearly says 1 God…not 3. Jeremiah 10:10-12 God declares that all pagan idols will be wiped out. Where is the pagan influence you speak of? Christmas is pagan (saturnalia), the bible forbids you from participating. In the OT God says not to raise a tree and decorate it. All these pagan customs were introduced by the Catholic church. The bible forbids these abominations, but if you READ the bible you’d know that.

    8. Bible is inconsistent? Not according to bible scholars. I can’t get an honest opinion of a book from it’s enemy. I cannot get an honest opinion of the bible from and atheist or a muslim because their view is already biased. God never changes, his word to consistent throughout, mankind is a sinner, we need salvation, spread the gospel throughout.

    7. Jesus rejects Christians. Jesus warned us of FAKE christians. (ie. Harold Camping) He said the world would end may 21, right? Didn’t happen. Mark 13:32 says only God knows the day and hour. Jesus knew the time but he spoke on behalf of his humanity in this verse. Do you know how many christian pastors, ministers spread false doctrines? (matthw 7:15-20)

    6. Jesus isn’t God. You clearly haven’t read scripture. Matt 4:7,10 Jesus tells Satan you can’t tempt God because Satan was tempting Jesus. Matt 28:20, John 1:1, John 6:40-41, John 8:58, John 11:25, John 17:4-5 Rev 1:8, 11, 17-18 Rev 22:13
    I am surprised about this fact: Muslims believe in Jesus’ virgin birth (which is scientifically impossible) yet they believe it, but they refuse to believe God is in the flesh (which is anothr scientific anamoly) What makes the virgin birth credible yet God in the flesh not?

    5. Jesus is unknown. Let’s see: He was ugly: Isaiah 53:2, He spoke Aramaic. He was crucified Isaiah 53:1-12. He had short hair 1 corinthians 11:14. In rev 1:17-18 he had dark skin…not white. His last words were “it is finished” John 19:30..which meant that your salvation was paid for.

    4. The bible witnesses against itself … The bible tells us it is not from God? Did your imam tell you that? 2 sam 23:2, 2 tim 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:19-21. Case closed.

    3. Jesus wasn’t crucified or resurrected? Who did Saul meet on the road to Damascus? What about the secular proof of Josephus, Pliny the younger, Tacitus, Pontius Pilate’s letter,Suetonius, Tallus, Dead Sea Scrolls, Julius Africanus…etc?

    2. The bible is corrupted….Thank you for bringing this up. I am not going to prove the bible is authentic using the bible….no….I’m going to do it using the quran!

    Surahs 2:44 2:87-88 3:3-4 3:45 3:48 3:50 3:81-82, 84 4:136 5:43-44 5:46-48
    5:68 6:34 6:114-115 7;157 7;169 10:37 10:94 17:77 20:133 26:133 26:194
    35:23-25 35:44 57:25 61:14 66:12

    All these verses confirm that Allah told Mohammed that what the Jews had in their hands (the scriptures) were authentic and that if he had ANY doubt about what Allah had said he was supposed to consult the scriptures (Torah and gospel)–not the apocryphal gospel of christ,but the gospel mentioned in the NT — mentioned over 38 times! mark 13:10, romans 1:1 for examples.

    1 Islam is Truth…. I wish you were right…but I would have to disagree.
    * If I were to become Muslim this very moment I would have to deny 6,000+ years of history, science, and astronomy (not astrology)
    * The Sabbeans were practicing all the rituals that Muslims are doing today…and the sabbeans were pagan.
    *In Galatians 1:8 Paul instructs that any other gospel preached, even from and Angel of heaven (Gabriel in the cave) let him be damned.
    * Ezekiel 8:13-16….there were men who faced the east and bowed their heads. Muslims do this prayer daily….God said it’s an abomination.
    * Acts 19:35 the worship of the black stone that fell from heaven is idol worship and made clear hundreds of years before Muslims took over the practice from the sabbeans.

    God bless you…I gave you about 3 years worth of research. I hope that you use this info to really seek out God and find salvation within Jesus Christ.

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  Abdullah

  October 4, 2011 at 3:08 pm

  Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

  Welcome to MyIslamicFamily and thank you for taking the time to comment and thank you for actually addressing the topic.

  I know that you comment amounts to only three years worth of research but it would have been nice if you expanded your research to include works that do not agree with your preconceived conclusions. It would have been even nicer if you have tried to vet your claims before presenting them as fact, particularly regarding those statements you made about Islam and the Quran.

  10. Missionary deception: I trust Paul’s message before I trust what I find. Look at his life and how Christ changed him. Reading his 13 books of the NT you can clearly tell he was a man of God. He even declared that if you hear another gospel from someone else or an angel from heaven (Gal 1:8) and deny Jesus is God then you are antichrist (1 John 4:3) Paul is the best secular source since he met christ AFTER his resurrection.

  You have placed yourself in a very difficult position. If you trust Paul, then you must trust that he is, as he says, a liar. Putting your trust in a liar for trivial matters is foolish. Putting your afterlife in the hands of a liar is insanity.

  Paul’s claim that he met Jesus on the road to Damascus is told three times in the Bible. Each time he tells the story, the details differ. Did his companions hear or not hear? Were they standing speechless or did they fall to the ground? These contradictions in Paul’s narrative indicate that, indeed, Paul was a liar unable to get his facts straight, or the anonymous author of Acts was a poor historian unable to accurately record the facts, or someone changed the story sometime later. Either way, the entire story is dubious and unreliable.

  Whether or not you regard Paul a man of God after reading his 13 books (not all 13 are really his) is subjective. When I read them, I see a man in the service of Rome, who opposed God, Jesus and the Disciples. He wrote no great truth and it seems that his only goal was to make his version of Jesus and Christianity palatable to pagan non-Jews.

  How convenient it must be for Paul to label anyone, who disagrees with him an Anti-Christ.

  9. Pagan Influence. God used his enemies at the council of Nicea. Mark 12:29 clearly says 1 God…not 3. Jeremiah 10:10-12 God declares that all pagan idols will be wiped out. Where is the pagan influence you speak of? Christmas is pagan (saturnalia), the bible forbids you from participating. In the OT God says not to raise a tree and decorate it. All these pagan customs were introduced by the Catholic church. The bible forbids these abominations, but if you READ the bible you’d know that.

  At the very heart of the theology of the vast majority of Christians, is the Pagan influence that God became a man and dwelt amongst men as a man. If God is one and not three, there is no room for the Trinity and no room for Jesus in the God-head.

  You should refrain from making assumptions about others. Assumptions often lead to false conclusions.

  You may hate Catholics but you owe them every bit of your current understanding of Christianity. Without Catholicism there is no Protestantism. Without Catholicism there is no Bible. Without Catholicism there is no Trinity.

  8. Bible is inconsistent? Not according to bible scholars. I can’t get an honest opinion of a book from it’s enemy. I cannot get an honest opinion of the bible from and atheist or a muslim because their view is already biased. God never changes, his word to consistent throughout, mankind is a sinner, we need salvation, spread the gospel throughout.

  It could be equally said that no Christian can give an honest opinion of the Bible because their view is already biased.

  Compare the requirements for salvation in the Old Testament with the requirements for salvation in the New Testament. Compare Paul’s view of the Law with Jesus’ view of the Law. Compare God’s readiness to slaughter even the innocent in the Old Testament, with Jesus’ message of loving your enemies.

  7. Jesus rejects Christians. Jesus warned us of FAKE christians. (ie. Harold Camping) He said the world would end may 21, right? Didn’t happen. Mark 13:32 says only God knows the day and hour. Jesus knew the time but he spoke on behalf of his humanity in this verse. Do you know how many christian pastors, ministers spread false doctrines? (matthw 7:15-20)

  You, like all of your co-religionists in this discussion, have committed the same mistake of putting your own words and your own theology in the mouth of Jesus. The Biblical Jesus is condemning the Christians of not following the commands of the Father. The first command of God is that you shall have no other gods besides Him. Trinitarian Christians fail this first command by believing in two additional gods. They also fail this by not adhering to the Law and declaring the Law to be an impediment to spiritual growth.

  One of the qualities of God is that He is all-knowing. The moment God becomes ignorant, He no longer has the quality of God and therefore can no longer be called God. It would be impossible for God to forget the Hour in particular because knowledge of it is Divine.

  6. Jesus isn’t God. You clearly haven’t read scripture. Matt 4:7,10 Jesus tells Satan you can’t tempt God because Satan was tempting Jesus. Matt 28:20, John 1:1, John 6:40-41, John 8:58, John 11:25, John 17:4-5 Rev 1:8, 11, 17-18 Rev 22:13
  I am surprised about this fact: Muslims believe in Jesus’ virgin birth (which is scientifically impossible) yet they believe it, but they refuse to believe God is in the flesh (which is anothr scientific anamoly) What makes the virgin birth credible yet God in the flesh not?

  Just because you and I have arrived at different conclusions does not mean that I haven’t read your book. In fact, it is because I’ve read your book that I am convinced of my position.

  Consider the story, which you have quoted as your evidence that Jesus is God (Matthew 4). The purpose of Jesus going there was to be tempted as a sort of test for Jesus. Far beyond being tempted, the Biblical Jesus actually obeys Satan in this story. No one reading that story would conclude Jesus is saying that he was God, except someone already preconditioned to believe that Jesus is God. In reality, Jesus is being quite clear, he is not God.

  There is also a scientific error in this story. Even from a very high mountain, it would be impossible to see all the kingdoms of the world with their splendour.

  In fact, every verse you have quoted to support your claim that Jesus is God is open to interpretation. If we compare that with the unequivocal statement of the Biblical Jesus in Luke, your position becomes all the more precarious.

  I could give an alternative interpretation that would undermine your interpretation, but what would be the use? Even if the verses are saying that Jesus is God they stand in clear contradiction to what Jesus has already said.

  If I were to ask you for proof that the books you quoted from are reliable sources of information of the Divine, you would have nothing to say. The authors of the books are unknown, they are full of contradictions, interpolations, errors, failed prophesies and absurdities. The original does not exist and were written well after the events, during the time entrenched positions were being formed. Why should we not assume that these documents were purpose written to support their own theology, just as others were doing at the time? Give us a good reason why John is superior to hundreds of other Gospels that claim Jesus was not divine.

  Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus because the Quran tells us this fact. However, it does not follow that the one being born from a virgin is God. If that were the case, Adam is a bigger God than Jesus. The mere fact that Jesus was born of a women precludes him from any claim of divinity. The virgin birth is credible because it demonstrates the Power of God. God in the flesh lacks credibility because it undermines His power, undermines His Dignity, contradicts Him and destroys His Unity.

  5. Jesus is unknown. Let’s see: He was ugly: Isaiah 53:2, He spoke Aramaic. He was crucified Isaiah 53:1-12. He had short hair 1 corinthians 11:14. In rev 1:17-18 he had dark skin…not white. His last words were “it is finished” John 19:30..which meant that your salvation was paid for.

  God was ugly?! Even if we accepted everything you say here, some of which is not undisputed by Christians themselves, it would hardly constitute knowledge of Jesus. Where are the authentic biographies of his life? Beyond the three years of his ministry, what do you know about him? Could you speak for an hour or a half an hour on who Jesus was as a historical figure?

  4. The bible witnesses against itself … The bible tells us it is not from God? Did your imam tell you that? 2 sam 23:2, 2 tim 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:19-21. Case closed.

  I had a little laugh to myself, when I first read this. I have, on occasion, been consulted by people in my masjid regarding Christianity, but I have never consulted any person from any masjid regarding Christianity.

  Also you have dramatically misunderstood my point. Don’t you find it odd that we both quoted 2 Timothy 3:16 to ‘prove’ our points?

  2 Samuel 23:2 is not about the Bible or any scripture it is only regarding the words, which David spoke. If you want to use this verse to include the Psalms, then it is a proof against you, because David did not write the Psalms. Even Christians admit that many of the books were written by others and some of them anonymous.

  2 Timothy 3:16 gives four categories for Old Testament scripture. Can you tell me what category Judges 16:1 would fall into?

  2 Peter 1:19-21 is saying that all prophesy is from God, if we apply that to the Bible we find that many prophecies failed and therefore we can say unequivocally that the Bible is not from God.

  Case closed?

  3. Jesus wasn’t crucified or resurrected? Who did Saul meet on the road to Damascus? What about the secular proof of Josephus, Pliny the younger, Tacitus, Pontius Pilate’s letter,Suetonius, Tallus, Dead Sea Scrolls, Julius Africanus…etc?

  As we covered earlier, we have to say Saul/Paul did not meet anyone on the road to Damascus but only claimed to meet Jesus. The account attributed to Josephus is a fabrication as is Pontius Pilate’s letter. Suetonius’ works are subject to interpretation. As far as I’m aware Pliny the younger did not mention the Crucifixion or Resurrection in any of his writings. Tacitus, was one of the few the authentically mentions the Crucifixion but only in the context that the Christians he was familiar with believed in it. Thallus’ works did not survive, some was ‘preserved’ by Julius Africanus, making even that unreliable. In any case, it’s not clear what Thallus recorded and it is claimed that he contradicts Mark’s Gospel. I’m not sure what in the Dead Sea Scrolls you think supports your view but it seems you are just trying to make your list longer. Julius Africanus was a 2nd and 3rd century Christian apologetic, who said that the time between creation and Jesus was 5,500 years that alone is enough to discredit him.

  None of those ‘evidences’ are evidences for the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus. They are evidences for the historical existence of Jesus, a fact I am not disputing. Moreover, it is unsurprising that you could find Christians in the first century that believed in a crucified Christ. Clearly, Paul had some success propagating his version of Jesus and Christianity. Helped by his claims that anyone disagreed with him was an anti-Christ.

  If these are your only proofs that Jesus was crucified you have literally nothing to stand on. The reasons for not believing in a crucified Christ are much greater.

  2. The bible is corrupted….Thank you for bringing this up. I am not going to prove the bible is authentic using the bible….no….I’m going to do it using the quran!
  Surahs 2:44 2:87-88 3:3-4 3:45 3:48 3:50 3:81-82, 84 4:136 5:43-44 5:46-48
  5:68 6:34 6:114-115 7;157 7;169 10:37 10:94 17:77 20:133 26:133 26:194
  35:23-25 35:44 57:25 61:14 66:12
  All these verses confirm that Allah told Mohammed that what the Jews had in their hands (the scriptures) were authentic and that if he had ANY doubt about what Allah had said he was supposed to consult the scriptures (Torah and gospel)–not the apocryphal gospel of christ,but the gospel mentioned in the NT — mentioned over 38 times! mark 13:10, romans 1:1 for examples.

  This is one of the most shameful behaviours that I have witnessed in Christians. You take a book; search for anything that you think might support your position and give no regard to the actual message and meaning.

  The Quran testifies to the authenticity of the Torah of Moses, the Gospel of Jesus, The Psalms of David and other lost scriptures, such as the scripture belonging to Abraham.

  Does this mean, as you are suggesting, that the Quran is verifying the accuracy of the Bible? The Torah of Moses is lost; the Gospel of Jesus (if ever written down) is lost; the Psalms of David is lost. The Bible does not contain those revelations. It does not contain a single pen-stroke of any of them. The Quran is not referring to these writings but it is referring to the actual revelation that was given to those men. To suggest otherwise, exposes your ignorance and bias regarding the Quran.

  Moreover, the fact that the Bible is been changed and corrupted is such an established fact that I can give very little respect to anyone that claims otherwise. The whole science of textual criticism was developed to try and find the truth amid the various errors, contradiction and variations in the text. You don’t have to take my word for it; you could just go to seminary.

  1 Islam is Truth…. I wish you were right…but I would have to disagree.
  * If I were to become Muslim this very moment I would have to deny 6,000+ years of history, science, and astronomy (not astrology)
  * The Sabbeans were practicing all the rituals that Muslims are doing today…and the sabbeans were pagan.
  *In Galatians 1:8 Paul instructs that any other gospel preached, even from and Angel of heaven (Gabriel in the cave) let him be damned.
  * Ezekiel 8:13-16….there were men who faced the east and bowed their heads. Muslims do this prayer daily….God said it’s an abomination.
  * Acts 19:35 the worship of the black stone that fell from heaven is idol worship and made clear hundreds of years before Muslims took over the practice from the sabbeans.

  Why would you lie? You have no wish to see Islam proved right. In fact, you are attempting to do the opposite despite the frailty of your arguments.

  What history would you have to deny? What science? What astronomy? The ‘science’ of light before the sun? The ‘science’ of rabbits chewing cud? It’s too easy to make claims without backing them up.

  I don’t think you understand who the Sabbeans were or the history of Islamic practices. The use of “Sabbeans” is so widely used incorrectly by anti-Islamic bigots that I wonder about you. Particularly because you have demonstrated that you have very little knowledge of Islam or the Quran.

  Your hatred of Gabriel and your damning him says all we need to know about you. An Angel from heaven only does the Will of God by damning him you have damned yourself.

  Jesus prayed by bowing, in the same manner that Muslims do today. So did all the prophets. Hatred clouds the mind.

  Muslims do not worship the black stone. It’s sad that Christians stoop to something so low as this.

  Once again thank you for taking the time to comment. I hope you have enjoyed my response. All praise and thanks belong to Allah, Who made me a Muslim.

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    Madeline

    January 19, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Abdullah, Thank you for pointing out these mistakes in Christianity. I personally do not believe in any religions, so therefore I suppose I am Atheist. But I completely respect you for making this article.

    With love, Madeline.

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  Abdullah

  January 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm

  Thank you for your comment Madeline. I just wanted to point out what may be obvious, a failure of one religion does not render all religions false. Every religion, including atheism, must be examined on its own merits and then accepted and rejected on that basis.

  I only point this out because many leading atheists thinkers make generalisation about all religious beliefs because of the “flaws” they found in their own religious background and culture.

  In any case, I’m glad you enjoyed my post. I look forward to any future contribution you may make.

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